The death of bracket racing........

Dick Butler · 01-07-2008, 10:08 AM

Freddie, Problem is within the Gt versus SS rules. In order to "allow" FWD cars "allowances" were made.
It parallels you wish for one car, one set of rules being the challenge. Too many "allowances" here or there makes it LOOK lobsided. I agree if every class evolved together it would be better BUT then we are getting away from the real SS idea of original chassis again.....

Freddie · 01-07-2008, 10:31 AM

I couldnt agree more..

But if your going to allow it on one side then it should be allowed on the other as well..

Truth being told.. we got away from the original idea of S/SS racing a long time ago.. cars are no longer measured on haow hard a person works to achieve anything.. instead it has become who can afford to out perform the guy on top this week.. I for one dont want any part of a financial Pi$$ing match..

Back in the late 80's I went to a few brcket races.. more for test time on my setup than anything else.. as the new rules and $$$ got out of hand for me.. we became participants at the bracket races instead of just testing..

I personally dont cre for the super classes either, but until I either hit the lottery, or some rules drasticly change.. that is where I can race my two cars comfortably.. along with brackets..

Dick Butler · 01-07-2008, 11:11 AM

Freddie,
Good Luck at the track.... Thanks for the discussions.....Dick

Webster · 01-07-2008, 12:09 PM

Kinda veered off course with all of the talk about "EARNING" a wally and how to make stock and super stock more spectator friendly...NEVER gonna make bracket or "class" racing a spectator sport......NEVER!!!!!!!

I'll beat the "class" racing drum for a moment........we've got a legal SS, albeit only 6-7 tenths under on a good day, sitting in the garage. Also have the finacial means, on clock puncher wages, to show up and participate. However, Freddie hit the nail on the head..."fianancial pi$$ing" contests....IMO equal BUYING a wally as oposed to "EARNING" it.

How bought this for leveling the playing field........dial in formats across the board......to include "class"and the "eliminator"....no more heads up??? Drive, back or luck your way(or as all of us will attest, usually a combination of all of the aforementioned) into the winners circle, at the end of the day.......any way you slice it......wally "EARNED" as opposed to wally purchased!!!!!

My mini goals or rewards..................win lights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dick Butler · 01-07-2008, 12:51 PM

Webster,
If only dialing in to race what would be the reason for having "rules". Thats what bracket racing is about. No set of regulations to show you can use to win. No other people running your combination. No one to set as a goal to work toward beating. Just dial it in and bracket race.
Not everyone feels that is enough. Not downing it as a "form" of dragracing but your original comments were how it is dying at local tracks. Others commented how their track has a heads up format which brings spectators(MONEY for track to stay open so you have a place to dial in race) Doesnt it appear both can exit? Couldnt letting Heads up who can afford have the race that draws in the spectators to pay and the others have a place to run their cars too.
Disclaimer: It isnt all about MONEY but some would like to claim it is.Most winners are skilled drivers, mechanics and happen to have a good job too.

7820 · 01-07-2008, 07:41 PM

There are far more Stock and Super Stock racers at Divisonal and National Events that have shoe polish on their windows that don't and that is a fact....even when you count the few events that have heads up class racing. I know guys that have raced for 15-20 years that have never had a heads up race...never. Yes they have their class designation on their windows and like to call themselves "class racers" but the shoe polish says different.

If you go back and read some of the threads you will see a change in attitude on Class Racing. A lot of racers don't want to race heads up anymore. They want to build a car that will be at or under their class index and then put shoe polish on the windows.

Heck I can remember the day if you had the wrong badges on the car you were out or had to replace them.

All that said....I don't believe you should be able to race at the World Finals unless you have won at a Divisonal, National, or Sports National. Just because you have grade points should not allow you to enter the World Finals. The World Finals should be an event where only the best of the best race...but that is only my opinion.

Ron

01-07-2008, 10:08 AM	#1
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: The death of bracket racing........ Freddie, Problem is within the Gt versus SS rules. In order to "allow" FWD cars "allowances" were made. It parallels you wish for one car, one set of rules being the challenge. Too many "allowances" here or there makes it LOOK lobsided. I agree if every class evolved together it would be better BUT then we are getting away from the real SS idea of original chassis again.....

01-07-2008, 10:31 AM	#2
Freddie Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampa Fla / Anderson SC Posts: 334 Likes: 12 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The death of bracket racing........ I couldnt agree more.. But if your going to allow it on one side then it should be allowed on the other as well.. Truth being told.. we got away from the original idea of S/SS racing a long time ago.. cars are no longer measured on haow hard a person works to achieve anything.. instead it has become who can afford to out perform the guy on top this week.. I for one dont want any part of a financial Pi$$ing match.. Back in the late 80's I went to a few brcket races.. more for test time on my setup than anything else.. as the new rules and $$$ got out of hand for me.. we became participants at the bracket races instead of just testing.. I personally dont cre for the super classes either, but until I either hit the lottery, or some rules drasticly change.. that is where I can race my two cars comfortably.. along with brackets..

01-07-2008, 11:11 AM	#3
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: The death of bracket racing........ Freddie, Good Luck at the track.... Thanks for the discussions.....Dick

01-07-2008, 12:09 PM	#4
Webster Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 24 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The death of bracket racing........ Kinda veered off course with all of the talk about "EARNING" a wally and how to make stock and super stock more spectator friendly...NEVER gonna make bracket or "class" racing a spectator sport......NEVER!!!!!!! I'll beat the "class" racing drum for a moment........we've got a legal SS, albeit only 6-7 tenths under on a good day, sitting in the garage. Also have the finacial means, on clock puncher wages, to show up and participate. However, Freddie hit the nail on the head..."fianancial pi$$ing" contests....IMO equal BUYING a wally as oposed to "EARNING" it. How bought this for leveling the playing field........dial in formats across the board......to include "class"and the "eliminator"....no more heads up??? Drive, back or luck your way(or as all of us will attest, usually a combination of all of the aforementioned) into the winners circle, at the end of the day.......any way you slice it......wally "EARNED" as opposed to wally purchased!!!!! My mini goals or rewards..................win lights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-07-2008, 12:51 PM	#5
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: The death of bracket racing........ Webster, If only dialing in to race what would be the reason for having "rules". Thats what bracket racing is about. No set of regulations to show you can use to win. No other people running your combination. No one to set as a goal to work toward beating. Just dial it in and bracket race. Not everyone feels that is enough. Not downing it as a "form" of dragracing but your original comments were how it is dying at local tracks. Others commented how their track has a heads up format which brings spectators(MONEY for track to stay open so you have a place to dial in race) Doesnt it appear both can exit? Couldnt letting Heads up who can afford have the race that draws in the spectators to pay and the others have a place to run their cars too. Disclaimer: It isnt all about MONEY but some would like to claim it is.Most winners are skilled drivers, mechanics and happen to have a good job too.

01-07-2008, 07:41 PM	#6
7820 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 201 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The death of bracket racing........ There are far more Stock and Super Stock racers at Divisonal and National Events that have shoe polish on their windows that don't and that is a fact....even when you count the few events that have heads up class racing. I know guys that have raced for 15-20 years that have never had a heads up race...never. Yes they have their class designation on their windows and like to call themselves "class racers" but the shoe polish says different. If you go back and read some of the threads you will see a change in attitude on Class Racing. A lot of racers don't want to race heads up anymore. They want to build a car that will be at or under their class index and then put shoe polish on the windows. Heck I can remember the day if you had the wrong badges on the car you were out or had to replace them. All that said....I don't believe you should be able to race at the World Finals unless you have won at a Divisonal, National, or Sports National. Just because you have grade points should not allow you to enter the World Finals. The World Finals should be an event where only the best of the best race...but that is only my opinion. Ron Last edited by 7820; 01-07-2008 at 08:16 PM.

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