Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

oldskool · 01-02-2020, 11:43 AM

Continuing now with '71-'72 Birds, especially looking at the '71-'72 Formy that Scott Burton drove, then later Brad Burton drove, I assume.

As of early 2005, Scott was still driving it. On the Phoenix Q-list he was #12 @ 1.010 under. John Schloe was #4 @ 1.110 under, in his '69 Bird. Larry Maxwell & Ryan Schloe were also on the list with their '71 Birds.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

Scott went 4 rounds, but lost in the quarterfinals to the event winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

The early Vegas race was loaded with Pontiacs. Bob Mulry was on top @ 1.468 under. Scott was #3 @ 1.312 under. John Schloe was #18 @ 1.171 under. Bryan Philips was #23 @ 1.134 under. There were at least 4 more Pontiacs on the list. When an '80 or '81 Bird is listed, I don't know whether it has a 301 Pontiac engine, or a 305 Chevy engine.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

OK, at the Mile High Nats, Brad Burton is listed as the driver. He was #12 @ 1.183 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

Brad also won his E/SA class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

At the fall Vegas race, Scott was driving. Bob Mulry was #1 @ 1.507 under. Bryan Phillips was #3 @ 1.363 under. Leo Glasbrenner was #7 @ 1.288 under. John Schloe was #12 @ 1.222 under. Scott was #14 @ 1.196 under. Don Elgin, Larry Maxwell & Ryan Schloe were also on the list. They may have had a small Pontiac party at that race. Anyhow, there were 3 '71-'72 Birds there.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

Had 3 class winners: Byran Phillips, Bob Mulry, & Don Elgin.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

Brad was driving in '06 at Phoenix. He was #21 @ 1.042 under. There were some interesting Pontiacs at this race. First is a Chris Denton '80 P/SA Bird. Don't know what engine it had, since it could have had several, including a 301T. Who knows what this car had ? Then Tony DeFrank is listed, in a '67 Bird. Did I dream this, or did somebody say that is the car Randi Lyn has now ? Tibor Kadar is listed, in a '77 Bird. Who has info on the car, & the drivers' connection with Pontiacs ? Leo Glasbrenner is also on the list, with his '68 Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

The Burton Bird is not on the list, for the Spring Vegas race. But I HAD to post it. It's loaded with Pontiac power. Bob Mulry was #1 @ 1.566 under. John Schloe was #4 @ 1.309 under. Bryan Phillips was #7 @ 1.284 under. Leo was #17 @ 1.194 under. Chris Denton was #27 @ 1.104 under. Tibor Kadar was #43 @ 1.031 under. Larry Maxwell was #54 @ .996 under. Tony DeFrank was #57 @ .950 under. Ryan Schloe was #65 @ .898 under. Bill Edgeworth was #68 @ .889 under. Tony Janes is also on the list in a '72 Lemans. Don't know if that's a misprint, & his name is really James, or not . ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

How 'bout this list of class winners ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Now guys, even if you don't like Pontiacs, you'll have to admit that this was an awesome display of Pontiac Stocker performance !

OK, both Brad & Scott were entered at Denver, Scott with a '71 Bird, & Brad with a '72 Bird. Scott was #3 @ 1.407 under. Brad was #10 @ 1.278 under. Tibor Kadar & Larry Maxwell were also entered.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Scott & Tibor won their class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Scott got RU at this race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Well, the Burtons didn't make the Fontana race. But most of the other Pontiac guys did. And they put on quite a show. Bob Mulry was, once again #1 on the list @ 1.342 under. Wonder how many #1's he got with that car ? Maybe he'll chime in with that info(I hope).

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Had 3 class winners. In the E/SA final, Bryan Phillips beat Leo Glasbrenner by aprx 3". Don't know exactly how they figure that. Computer I reckin. Or maybe math, if you were good enuff.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

And Kadar won the race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Scott made the fall Vegas race. He was #25 @ 1.125 under. Some Pontiacs finished ahead of him. Bryan Phillips was highest. Bill Edgeworth was there. His Bird was a record holder. Don't know what year or years. Anybody know ?

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Leo got to the semifinal, but lost a double breakout race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Scott made the final race at Pomona. He was #18 @ 1.084 under. Again, there were several Pontiacs higher on the Q-list. I noticed that here & at Vegas, Larry Maxwell had dropped down to H/SA. I assume he switched from the 455HO heads, to D-port heads.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Leo lost a double breakout final.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

Well, that wraps up the DRC file info from '06. I know this & similar posts are long, & many are not interested. But, the results of these races show the performance of Pontiac powered Stockers, during that time period. I couldn't be at any of those races. But I'm glad to be able to get a glimpse of what happened, from the records. So, anyone not interested can just not read 'em. But, for those who are, maybe they can get some enjoyment from them, as I have. And, putting a lot on one post saves a small amount of space, as compared to using many posts, with just a small amount of info on each. Hey, I hope somebody here is enjoying this look back into Pontiac Stocker history even half as much as I am.

Billy Nees · 01-02-2020, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

Chris Denton '80 P/SA Bird. Don't know what engine it had, since it could have had several, including a 301T. Who knows what this car had ?

To my knowledge, any time that you see an 80/81 Firebird listed it's going to be a 301T.

oldskool · 01-02-2020, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

To my knowledge, any time that you see an 80/81 Firebird listed it's going to be a 301T.

Yeah, I'd thought about that. But then I thought about how many Chevy guys are doing real good with the little 305 sbc. So, I just assumed that maybe there'd be some out there who like the look of the Bird, but wanted a 305 engine. The '80 that I mentioned was the 2nd quickest Pontiac qualifier at some of the races I posted results for.

There's a guy in my hometown who bought an '81 T/A brand new. He got a 305 because he said that's the only way he could get the 4-speed he wanted. Don't have many miles. He brings it to the local car show occasionally. He also owns an original '77 Bandit Bird. A guy that raced with me one year, had it new. He'd drive it to my shop, to work on a '69 GTO bracket car we built for him.

Hey, that's just a little ancient Pontiac trivia for ya'll, free of charge. Probably won't mean anything to anybody but me. But, it's just a little bit of my Pontiac history.

Rich Biebel · 01-02-2020, 04:44 PM

I worked as a line mechanic in the mid to later 1970's at a local family owned Pontiac dealer... and worked on those Bandit Firebirds all the time......and occasionally someone brought in an earlier '70's SD Firebird along with many other cool cars.....

Rick Unterseh · 01-02-2020, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by oldskool View Post
Chris Denton '80 P/SA Bird. Don't know what engine it had, since it could have had several, including a 301T. Who knows what this car had ?

When Chris Ashley (Denton) drove the car, it had a 301 Turbo between the framerails.

I currently own the Blue '80 Firebird that Chris Ashley drove. We drug it out of a backyard and are returning it back to stocker status, as it had been converted to a bracket car. Should be racing this year with my wife driving it. It will have another 301 Turbo back in the car.

oldskool · 01-02-2020, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Unterseh

Originally Posted by oldskool View Post
Chris Denton '80 P/SA Bird. Don't know what engine it had, since it could have had several, including a 301T. Who knows what this car had ?

When Chris Ashley (Denton) drove the car, it had a 301 Turbo between the framerails.

I currently own the Blue '80 Firebird that Chris Ashley drove. We drug it out of a backyard and are returning it back to stocker status, as it had been converted to a bracket car. Should be racing this year with my wife driving it. It will have another 301 Turbo back in the car.

Thanks for the info ! That's cool !

Hope you can gather up enuff 301T parts to keep 'em both running for as long as ya'll wanna race 'em.

It's lots of fun when you & your wife can race together. It's REALLY fun if you meet in the finals, while everybody else is loading up, or has already left !

oldskool · 01-02-2020, 07:38 PM

While cruising DRC for SS info, I usually check the Stock results also. Thought I needed to put this here.

At this race, Pontiacs were #1 & #2 qualifiers. Kyle Riley was #1 @ 1.254 under, in his '77 Lemans. Bill Rink was #2 @ 1.228 under. Tim Gillespie's '68 GTO was #39 @ .936 under. Sal Biondo was #61 @ .602 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

And speaking of Sal Biondo, he got RU at the Pontiac Excitement Nats !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

The Biondo clan has quite a history in Pontiac class racing.

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01-02-2020, 11:43 AM	#1
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Continuing now with '71-'72 Birds, especially looking at the '71-'72 Formy that Scott Burton drove, then later Brad Burton drove, I assume. As of early 2005, Scott was still driving it. On the Phoenix Q-list he was #12 @ 1.010 under. John Schloe was #4 @ 1.110 under, in his '69 Bird. Larry Maxwell & Ryan Schloe were also on the list with their '71 Birds. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop Scott went 4 rounds, but lost in the quarterfinals to the event winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop The early Vegas race was loaded with Pontiacs. Bob Mulry was on top @ 1.468 under. Scott was #3 @ 1.312 under. John Schloe was #18 @ 1.171 under. Bryan Philips was #23 @ 1.134 under. There were at least 4 more Pontiacs on the list. When an '80 or '81 Bird is listed, I don't know whether it has a 301 Pontiac engine, or a 305 Chevy engine. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop OK, at the Mile High Nats, Brad Burton is listed as the driver. He was #12 @ 1.183 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop Brad also won his E/SA class. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop At the fall Vegas race, Scott was driving. Bob Mulry was #1 @ 1.507 under. Bryan Phillips was #3 @ 1.363 under. Leo Glasbrenner was #7 @ 1.288 under. John Schloe was #12 @ 1.222 under. Scott was #14 @ 1.196 under. Don Elgin, Larry Maxwell & Ryan Schloe were also on the list. They may have had a small Pontiac party at that race. Anyhow, there were 3 '71-'72 Birds there. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop Had 3 class winners: Byran Phillips, Bob Mulry, & Don Elgin. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop Brad was driving in '06 at Phoenix. He was #21 @ 1.042 under. There were some interesting Pontiacs at this race. First is a Chris Denton '80 P/SA Bird. Don't know what engine it had, since it could have had several, including a 301T. Who knows what this car had ? Then Tony DeFrank is listed, in a '67 Bird. Did I dream this, or did somebody say that is the car Randi Lyn has now ? Tibor Kadar is listed, in a '77 Bird. Who has info on the car, & the drivers' connection with Pontiacs ? Leo Glasbrenner is also on the list, with his '68 Bird. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop The Burton Bird is not on the list, for the Spring Vegas race. But I HAD to post it. It's loaded with Pontiac power. Bob Mulry was #1 @ 1.566 under. John Schloe was #4 @ 1.309 under. Bryan Phillips was #7 @ 1.284 under. Leo was #17 @ 1.194 under. Chris Denton was #27 @ 1.104 under. Tibor Kadar was #43 @ 1.031 under. Larry Maxwell was #54 @ .996 under. Tony DeFrank was #57 @ .950 under. Ryan Schloe was #65 @ .898 under. Bill Edgeworth was #68 @ .889 under. Tony Janes is also on the list in a '72 Lemans. Don't know if that's a misprint, & his name is really James, or not . ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop How 'bout this list of class winners ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Now guys, even if you don't like Pontiacs, you'll have to admit that this was an awesome display of Pontiac Stocker performance ! OK, both Brad & Scott were entered at Denver, Scott with a '71 Bird, & Brad with a '72 Bird. Scott was #3 @ 1.407 under. Brad was #10 @ 1.278 under. Tibor Kadar & Larry Maxwell were also entered. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Scott & Tibor won their class. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Scott got RU at this race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Well, the Burtons didn't make the Fontana race. But most of the other Pontiac guys did. And they put on quite a show. Bob Mulry was, once again #1 on the list @ 1.342 under. Wonder how many #1's he got with that car ? Maybe he'll chime in with that info(I hope). https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Had 3 class winners. In the E/SA final, Bryan Phillips beat Leo Glasbrenner by aprx 3". Don't know exactly how they figure that. Computer I reckin. Or maybe math, if you were good enuff. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop And Kadar won the race ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Scott made the fall Vegas race. He was #25 @ 1.125 under. Some Pontiacs finished ahead of him. Bryan Phillips was highest. Bill Edgeworth was there. His Bird was a record holder. Don't know what year or years. Anybody know ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Leo got to the semifinal, but lost a double breakout race. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Scott made the final race at Pomona. He was #18 @ 1.084 under. Again, there were several Pontiacs higher on the Q-list. I noticed that here & at Vegas, Larry Maxwell had dropped down to H/SA. I assume he switched from the 455HO heads, to D-port heads. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Leo lost a double breakout final. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Well, that wraps up the DRC file info from '06. I know this & similar posts are long, & many are not interested. But, the results of these races show the performance of Pontiac powered Stockers, during that time period. I couldn't be at any of those races. But I'm glad to be able to get a glimpse of what happened, from the records. So, anyone not interested can just not read 'em. But, for those who are, maybe they can get some enjoyment from them, as I have. And, putting a lot on one post saves a small amount of space, as compared to using many posts, with just a small amount of info on each. Hey, I hope somebody here is enjoying this look back into Pontiac Stocker history even half as much as I am. Last edited by oldskool; 01-02-2020 at 04:09 PM.

01-02-2020, 04:44 PM	#4
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,315 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers I worked as a line mechanic in the mid to later 1970's at a local family owned Pontiac dealer... and worked on those Bandit Firebirds all the time......and occasionally someone brought in an earlier '70's SD Firebird along with many other cool cars..... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

01-02-2020, 05:36 PM	#5
Rick Unterseh Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 133 Likes: 3 Liked 31 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Originally Posted by oldskool View Post Chris Denton '80 P/SA Bird. Don't know what engine it had, since it could have had several, including a 301T. Who knows what this car had ? When Chris Ashley (Denton) drove the car, it had a 301 Turbo between the framerails. I currently own the Blue '80 Firebird that Chris Ashley drove. We drug it out of a backyard and are returning it back to stocker status, as it had been converted to a bracket car. Should be racing this year with my wife driving it. It will have another 301 Turbo back in the car. __________________ Rick Unterseh O/SA P/SA

01-02-2020, 07:38 PM	#7
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers While cruising DRC for SS info, I usually check the Stock results also. Thought I needed to put this here. At this race, Pontiacs were #1 & #2 qualifiers. Kyle Riley was #1 @ 1.254 under, in his '77 Lemans. Bill Rink was #2 @ 1.228 under. Tim Gillespie's '68 GTO was #39 @ .936 under. Sal Biondo was #61 @ .602 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop And speaking of Sal Biondo, he got RU at the Pontiac Excitement Nats ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop The Biondo clan has quite a history in Pontiac class racing.