Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

[Bruce Fulper]

Originally Posted by HP HUNTER

I don't remember that.....I do remember you telling Jarrett Faggart he was over his head on that 389 build, not so much.

So you don't know the current state of NHRA Pontiac Super Stock engines and how they came to be, but you decided it was important to make up a lie. And of course you can't prove your 389 comment. I've never even HEARD of this guy.

Negative jag offs unwilling to evolve......

At least my reality is a happy one.

[HP HUNTER]

Originally Posted by Bruce Fulper

So you don't know the current state of NHRA Pontiac Super Stock engines and how they came to be, but you decided it was important to make up a lie. And of course you can't prove your 389 comment. I've never even HEARD of this guy.

Negative jag offs unwilling to evolve......

At least my reality is a happy one.

642 HP iron headed 428. Really probably more like 445 inches. Thats a nice big 1.44 HP per inch Super Stocker, nice work. I just like busting your balls. And you do know who Jarrett is. Heres what I remember: Jarrett did a 1964 389 build on your beloved Pontiac forum, you proceeded to tell him he was over his head on that build. I did the machine work on his build and he actually built the customer a very nice 389, it worked very good. And I thought it was strange you telling Jarrett this after myself seeing your handy work first hand in my shop in Thousand Oaks I really didn't like the seats you installed in the exhausts on these heads. My advice when you install seats in heads, make the effort to use the correct dimension seat, smaller inner diameter. I never bothered to further critique the heads from there. Example of how a seat is done. Carry on.......

[oldskool]

Hey ya'll, look what I found !

At the '03 Super Nats, Al Vanis won Stock. Most non-Pontiac guys will have no idea why I think this win is significant.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

(1) Al Vanis won the US Nats, in a Pontiac powered Ventura, back in the mid '70's.

(2) This win was also in a Pontiac powered car. This time, it was a '77 Lemans. The reason that's significant, is because many of the Pontiac guys/families from the past, have long since switched to other brands.

(3) Check out his RT's. He cut two perfect .000 lights, then a .012 light, in the final.

For all these reasons I just think this was a real cool win !

[TOM KASCH]

my 59 in 1961
Ace Wilson Pontiac in 1962

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by TOM KASCH

my 59 in 1961
Ace Wilson Pontiac in 1962

Yeah, I got to race on 2 tracks that had a flagman. Both were just small town air strips.

I suppose that is an experience most of the younger guys missed. The spots were measured in feet, rather than fractions of a sec. NHRA specified how many feet the spot would be, between any 2 classes.

The biggest spot I ever got was between my '69 Goat & a 4cyl Pinto. IIRC, it was supposed to be 410 ft. The track was not marked off that far. The flagman guessed at it. Road down the track, on the front fender of the Pinto, to the distance he thought was right, & started the race from there. Don't know how close the distance chosen was to being correct. But, I got to the finish line 1st. It's just 1 of those racin experiences I'll never forget.

Sure wish we'd made pics of those flag starts.

http://eastcoastdragtimeshalloffame....-of-the-green/

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by TOM KASCH

...Ace Wilson Pontiac in 1962

Yeah, I think that may have been a '63 Catalina, since the headlights are vertical. Looks like they ran it in an FX class. Assuming the early FX rules were more similar to Stock or SS rules than to the later Modified rules.

[Mike Jones]

From georgeklass.net

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Mike Jones

From georgeklass.net

Yeah, there are several of those classes from the early '60's that I still don't understand the rules for.

So, exactly what was the difference between classes like S/S, OS/S, & A or B/FX. Can anybody here explain the rules for all those classes ?

Here's the best explanation I've read, so far.

"...The factory drag wars were just heating up in 1961, and for the Nationals, the NHRA introduced the Optional Super/Stock (OS/S) class for cars using special factory components that were not yet factory equipment...In 1962, OS/S became the Factory Experimental (FX) category..."

For Pontiac, I suppose those "special factory components" would have been 421SD parts, which were not an option on the body being raced.

[oldskool]

Besides the S/S, OS/S, S/SA. A/FX, & B/FX classes that have already been discussed, the old big Pontiacs ran some regular Stock classes, too. Below are some pics of big Pontiacs, in several Stock classes. I suppose that all these cars had some form of either a 389 or a 421 engine.

[Mike Jones]

My machinist friend passed away unexpectedly over the summer. His widow sold off most of his equipment. Customers have received their parts back and the shop is almost empty. I don't know exactly what is left, but there is a cache of Pontiac stuff unclaimed. If anyone is interested, PM me.
Mike
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