Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

Billy Nees · 02-27-2020, 06:19 PM

They will NOT get HP because Natl. Opens don't count towards the AHFS.

Mark Yacavone · 02-27-2020, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

They will NOT get HP because Natl. Opens don't count towards the AHFS.

Ditto, but thanks for the link.
A turbo car at altitude, with no penalty..hmmm ;-)

oldskool · 02-27-2020, 06:31 PM

THANKS for the quick reply guys !

Next question.

I'm real interested in Ryan Schloe's car. He was once claiming a '71 Bird, with a #66 head 455.

Lots of guys on some of the Pontiac forums really badmouth those #66 heads. But since Ryan ran below 11.50 with his #66 head 455, maybe they're not that bad.

I know that Adam Davis' '71 Bird was switched over to a '73, so it could run a 4X head 455. At Indy 2017, he was #74 @ 1.023 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=331361

Most all the numbers look better for the '73 4X head 455. Especially the 306hp factor. Means Ryan can run a lighter car.

Just did some checking. It seems that Ryan switched over to the 4X head '73, a few years back. Best ET I could find was an 11.04. So, if he hasn't dipped into the 10's yet, he's come close.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=349366

oldskool · 02-27-2020, 09:56 PM

Well, this DRC list answers some of my questions.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

(1) Apparently the live timing numbers were bogus. Rick Unterseh was NOT the #1 qualifier, & only one car ran 1.20 under, IF the DRC numbers are correct.

Does anybody know how the live timing numbers can be so wrong, so often ?

(2) DRC clearly shows that Ryan Schloe is claiming a '73 Bird now. So, he's running a 4X head 455, which has much better numbers than the #66 head '71 455 engine.

The DRC list also shows that Ryan was #18 @ .950 under. Same ET as on the live timing list. So, MAYBE live timing had his numbers correct.

Mark Yacavone · 02-27-2020, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

Well, this DRC list answers some of my questions.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

(1) Apparently the live timing numbers were bogus. Rick Unterseh was NOT the #1 qualifier, & only one car ran 1.20 under, IF the DRC numbers are correct.

Does anybody know how the live timing numbers can be so wrong, so often ?

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Stock is usually out first. Tech cards may not be turned in yet. The computer has a long, and sometimes faulty memory.

oldskool · 02-28-2020, 04:01 PM

Well, since the live timing info is not reliable, at all sometimes, I almost hesitate to post any of their info.

But, when there is no online live streaming, & DRC won't have any results 'til late night, I suppose live timing is about the only source there is, for the latest race results.

With all that in mind, live timing is showing that all 3 Pontiacs I mentioned lost in the 1st round of Stock elims.

That's the bad news. The good news is that apparently another Pontiac joined the party, for the 4th qualifying round, this morning. The driver's name is C.W. Hoefer. He has(or at least had) the '73 4X head 455 powered Formula, that I mentioned, which belonged to Adam Davis.

https://www.nhra.com/results/2020/lu...ock-eliminator

IF C.W. is indeed driving that '73 Bird, he had the only Pontiac powered car to survive Stock E-1.

https://www.nhra.com/results/2020/lu...ock-eliminator

One additional note from Q-4 is that IF the numbers for Ryan Schloe are correct, he ran a little quicker, going .969 under, in his '73 Bird.

Right now, the only other car I can think of that ran this engine is the '73 Formy owned by Michael Brand. Michael even pulled off a holeshot F/SA class win @ Indy.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

But, last season he ran the SD455 engine, and moved the car from F/SA to D/SA.

02-27-2020, 06:31 PM	#3
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers THANKS for the quick reply guys ! Next question. I'm real interested in Ryan Schloe's car. He was once claiming a '71 Bird, with a #66 head 455. Lots of guys on some of the Pontiac forums really badmouth those #66 heads. But since Ryan ran below 11.50 with his #66 head 455, maybe they're not that bad. I know that Adam Davis' '71 Bird was switched over to a '73, so it could run a 4X head 455. At Indy 2017, he was #74 @ 1.023 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=331361 Most all the numbers look better for the '73 4X head 455. Especially the 306hp factor. Means Ryan can run a lighter car. Just did some checking. It seems that Ryan switched over to the 4X head '73, a few years back. Best ET I could find was an 11.04. So, if he hasn't dipped into the 10's yet, he's come close. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=349366 Last edited by oldskool; 02-28-2020 at 08:12 AM.

02-27-2020, 09:56 PM	#4
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Well, this DRC list answers some of my questions. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop (1) Apparently the live timing numbers were bogus. Rick Unterseh was NOT the #1 qualifier, & only one car ran 1.20 under, IF the DRC numbers are correct. Does anybody know how the live timing numbers can be so wrong, so often ? (2) DRC clearly shows that Ryan Schloe is claiming a '73 Bird now. So, he's running a 4X head 455, which has much better numbers than the #66 head '71 455 engine. The DRC list also shows that Ryan was #18 @ .950 under. Same ET as on the live timing list. So, MAYBE live timing had his numbers correct. Last edited by oldskool; 02-27-2020 at 10:03 PM.

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02-27-2020, 06:19 PM	#1
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,494 Likes: 3,595 Liked 7,726 Times in 1,739 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers They will NOT get HP because Natl. Opens don't count towards the AHFS. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

02-28-2020, 04:01 PM	#6
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Stockers Well, since the live timing info is not reliable, at all sometimes, I almost hesitate to post any of their info. But, when there is no online live streaming, & DRC won't have any results 'til late night, I suppose live timing is about the only source there is, for the latest race results. With all that in mind, live timing is showing that all 3 Pontiacs I mentioned lost in the 1st round of Stock elims. That's the bad news. The good news is that apparently another Pontiac joined the party, for the 4th qualifying round, this morning. The driver's name is C.W. Hoefer. He has(or at least had) the '73 4X head 455 powered Formula, that I mentioned, which belonged to Adam Davis. https://www.nhra.com/results/2020/lu...ock-eliminator IF C.W. is indeed driving that '73 Bird, he had the only Pontiac powered car to survive Stock E-1. https://www.nhra.com/results/2020/lu...ock-eliminator One additional note from Q-4 is that IF the numbers for Ryan Schloe are correct, he ran a little quicker, going .969 under, in his '73 Bird. Right now, the only other car I can think of that ran this engine is the '73 Formy owned by Michael Brand. Michael even pulled off a holeshot F/SA class win @ Indy. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop But, last season he ran the SD455 engine, and moved the car from F/SA to D/SA. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 02-28-2020 at 05:02 PM.