Automatic Horsepower Factoring System

laura Parker · 04-01-2008, 10:25 PM

If this is now the case. Then the more popular the engine combo, the bigger screwing you will get. How the hell does that make any sense. Seems to me it's backwards. Jimmy I agree this is starting to make me sick also. I wish there was a know cure for this disease I have had for thirty years. Barry Parker

Jim Cimarolli · 04-01-2008, 10:57 PM

I think they should go back to an eight person committee on horsepower decisions. There has got to be human input to make final decisions in these matters. Maybe I'm just part of the old guard that is being ushered out, but to me qualifying and class eliminations is an important part of why I love this sport.
We need to be able to race our cars, thats why we work so hard to be here.

JIM BOUDREAU · 04-02-2008, 07:01 AM

Jim, I"m part of the old guard also. I agree with you 100%. We need to do something. The only fun we can have now is to run Top Stock and its going to rain this weekend at atco. Barry, can't wait to see you! Heard you have some new unleased horsepower!!! Gary was filling me on at Gators.

Robert Pare Racing · 04-02-2008, 07:38 AM

Maybe Evan Smith can chime in and help clarify some things...it's beyond confusing to me, and I feel like I have a decent grasp on things..

Bill Grubbs · 04-02-2008, 08:01 AM

Interesting, the cat is now out of the bag.

There are two AHFS's on the books. The original is on the pull down tab on the NHRA home page (linked here http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/ahfs.html ).

The second is listed in the Lucas Oil Dec 2007 news archives (linked here http://www.nhra.com/content/sportsma...5919&zoneid=85 ).

I guess we get to choose which one we would like to abide by (TIC).

Bill

Richard Grant · 04-02-2008, 08:20 AM

Was the results of our "vote" ever published? If so I missed it. As has been stated why are the cars with higher numbers penalized? When a one car combo can totally control their fate. The more "they " mess with the system the more it gets screwed up! Welcome to the Lottery! It may be you that wins more horsepower next!

Bryan Worner · 04-02-2008, 10:36 AM

Kenny,

Only the fastest run per car counts per event! If there are 2 or more cars at the same event with the same combo, then there could be 2 or more runs to trigger a review at that 1 event if 2 or more go 1.15 under or quicker.

If you get 4 runs during that event and you go 1.16, 1.08, 1.20 and 1.21 under on your runs, the 1.21 under will go towards your average.

This is national events only!

countrypuppy4865 · 04-02-2008, 12:10 PM

Cimarolli,
I was not racing when the hp committee was active. However, I have to agree with you the system cannot be simply computer based. I think there needs to be some human input as well. If not, we will all continue to suffer at the hands of a computer.

Sam Hamod · 04-02-2008, 12:33 PM

I agree with Laura Parker. "IF" you analyze the numbers in detail with the proposed system, the more cars of the same combination the more likely you are to get hp. The proposed system would be a monumental job! But who knows which system is being used?

04-01-2008, 10:25 PM	#1
laura Parker Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Automatic Horsepower Factoring System If this is now the case. Then the more popular the engine combo, the bigger screwing you will get. How the hell does that make any sense. Seems to me it's backwards. Jimmy I agree this is starting to make me sick also. I wish there was a know cure for this disease I have had for thirty years. Barry Parker

04-01-2008, 10:57 PM	#2
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 743 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Automatic Horsepower Factoring System I think they should go back to an eight person committee on horsepower decisions. There has got to be human input to make final decisions in these matters. Maybe I'm just part of the old guard that is being ushered out, but to me qualifying and class eliminations is an important part of why I love this sport. We need to be able to race our cars, thats why we work so hard to be here.

04-02-2008, 07:01 AM	#3
JIM BOUDREAU Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Automatic Horsepower Factoring System Jim, I"m part of the old guard also. I agree with you 100%. We need to do something. The only fun we can have now is to run Top Stock and its going to rain this weekend at atco. Barry, can't wait to see you! Heard you have some new unleased horsepower!!! Gary was filling me on at Gators.

04-02-2008, 07:38 AM	#4
Robert Pare Racing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mother Earth Posts: 265 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Automatic Horsepower Factoring System Maybe Evan Smith can chime in and help clarify some things...it's beyond confusing to me, and I feel like I have a decent grasp on things.. __________________ Rapare-Racing.com

04-02-2008, 08:01 AM	#5
Bill Grubbs Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Magnolia, Texas Posts: 416 Likes: 3 Liked 564 Times in 66 Posts	Re: Automatic Horsepower Factoring System Interesting, the cat is now out of the bag. There are two AHFS's on the books. The original is on the pull down tab on the NHRA home page (linked here http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/ahfs.html ). The second is listed in the Lucas Oil Dec 2007 news archives (linked here http://www.nhra.com/content/sportsma...5919&zoneid=85 ). I guess we get to choose which one we would like to abide by (TIC). Bill

04-02-2008, 08:20 AM	#6
Richard Grant Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West Monroe, La. Posts: 301 Likes: 9 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Automatic Horsepower Factoring System Was the results of our "vote" ever published? If so I missed it. As has been stated why are the cars with higher numbers penalized? When a one car combo can totally control their fate. The more "they " mess with the system the more it gets screwed up! Welcome to the Lottery! It may be you that wins more horsepower next! __________________ Richard Grant 4988 STK

04-02-2008, 10:36 AM	#7
Bryan Worner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duncannon, PA Posts: 823 Likes: 133 Liked 524 Times in 84 Posts	Re: Automatic Horsepower Factoring System Kenny, Only the fastest run per car counts per event! If there are 2 or more cars at the same event with the same combo, then there could be 2 or more runs to trigger a review at that 1 event if 2 or more go 1.15 under or quicker. If you get 4 runs during that event and you go 1.16, 1.08, 1.20 and 1.21 under on your runs, the 1.21 under will go towards your average. This is national events only!

04-02-2008, 12:10 PM	#8
countrypuppy4865 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Donaldsonville, LA Posts: 980 Likes: 17 Liked 228 Times in 70 Posts	Re: Automatic Horsepower Factoring System Cimarolli, I was not racing when the hp committee was active. However, I have to agree with you the system cannot be simply computer based. I think there needs to be some human input as well. If not, we will all continue to suffer at the hands of a computer. __________________ Jimmy "Cooter" Hidalgo, Jr. 4865 E/SA '04 GTO 4865 SS/GA '99 Firebird

04-02-2008, 12:33 PM	#9
Sam Hamod Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 93 Likes: 1 Liked 42 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Automatic Horsepower Factoring System I agree with Laura Parker. "IF" you analyze the numbers in detail with the proposed system, the more cars of the same combination the more likely you are to get hp. The proposed system would be a monumental job! But who knows which system is being used? __________________ Sam Hamod 3456 STK

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