Automatic Horsepower Factoring System

[Dave Ribeiro]

George,

That should be an automatic rule ? No-HP til the cars effecting the class are torn down and found legal....Too many times months later those cars that which created the HP are torn down and found illegal and the HP still stands...WHY ??? The easy way to solve this is make him tear-down if he's legal give then HP, if not don't...

Bruce,
I think it best if we can solve this without name calling and blaming just one person, because we all know there's more than one person envolved in all the calls at NHRA...That said lets see if the racing board can make a difference, by simple changes and having one set of Rules for everyone.. I do agree with Bruce and many others about taking away the 2-3 tenths, this would make the index's alittle more realistic...I would also like to see everyone get torn down at least once a year.. There are many racers who have NEVER BEEN torn down and have won many races and gone fast... Everyone should enjoy in the FUN !!!! As I have said before lets start teardowns from the bottom up and that would get rid of the 1000' club .... Why can't we just race.....Bruce, by the way last year's bad guy was Bob Lang, and I know I have been racing longer than you and many others and have never had a problem with either Bob or Wesly.
I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way.. If you have a problem with those guys, talk to them directly and leave the rest of us out of your arguement... I really think we can get more done if we go about this in a calmer fashion....just my two cents, Good Luck Evan, you will do fine don't forget the racer !!! DJR,

[Lynn A McCarty]

AHFS system is saved by the fact that humans make the final judgment except in extreme cases. Humans are flawed too, but it keeps the AHFS somewhat under control and provide a flawed but reasonable snap shot of performance.

The AHFS is just a tool. It could be way better, but it is still better than nothing. It is like using a hammer and chisel to cut your toe nails.

1.) It artificially keeps all the "fast" bogus combos on top
2.) It does nothing to separate good and bad tracks.
3.) It uses false statistical data to determine unfair HP ratings vs. a good innovative racer
4.) It falsely assumes apples and oranges are the same.
5.) It is corrected by some good humans that know the difference when it raises its ugly head
6.) It does nothing for the improvement of performance of after market parts.
7.) It is way better than doing nothing, but could be dramatically and statistically improved.

All of these things could be accomplished with very little work or expense. It just takes the willingness to do so.

[Bruce Noland]

Evan,
I believe you made the comment about bitching without offering solutions. I was simply following up on your remarks. And you're right nobody is forcing us to race, but are you saying we should be happy about a system that cheats the racers? I voted for you but you are already sounding a little too nhra-ish. You say it stinks that the racers have to suffer as a result of the ahfs, but then you say for the record that the ahfs doesn't stink. Diplomacy is cool - being disingenuous is not.

Dave,
Another lecture from you and I'm really going to scream. I'm just pointing out the sorry condition of the ahfs and some of the double talk that is offered to support it.

[vic guilmino]

EVAN
you are one who can run 1.40 under
are you going to do something about your self

[Evan Smith]

Bruce,

I am not saying you should be happy and turn a blind eye to something that bothers you. No one should. Nor am I on the NHRA's side. I am a racer and I am going to do the best I can for the Stock/Super Stock racers as a group. I am also a straight shooter, just because something causes bad results doesn't mean the root of the problem is completely terrible. You make it pretty clear that you have a personal beef with NHRA and I was not pointing a finger at you or anyone. Furthermore, you are as opinionated as anyone on this board so don't blast me for speaking my mind. I appreciate the vote and you know me well enough to know I will break my *** to make things better.

Everyone agrees that it is not a perfect racing world and understand that I am far from satisfied with the current state of Class racing. That is why I got involved. You don't see me on here bitching about this and bitching about that. I jumped in to make a change. Many people want, want, want, without realizing the challenges for the sanctioning body. From time to time I will offer a view from the other side of the fence, because I have experience in promoting races, working for the racetrack as a track official. Just because I offer this view, doesn't mean I am NHRA-ish.

We all know the AHFS is not perfect, but do I think it totally stinks, no. Does it need changes, it sure does. I just spent the better part of an hour on the phone with Wesley talking about changes that can be implemented. He assures me that the council will be able to make changes and that he wants racers to be happy and for a system to be fair for all. You can believe what you want, but this is what I was told.


Vic,

Those are strong words from someone who's car is very fast. I run my car hard, and close to the minimum weight at all times. I think you misunderstood my post. All I was pointing out is that the AHFS offers the chance to sandbag and many racers do a good job of that. I wasn't saying that is a bad thing. Of course it is a pity that racers have to do so to such an extent. We should be allowed the freedom to run hard. You have to play the game if you don't want hp. I can name quite a few racers who run a "D" at "F" weight.

Evan

[Evan Smith]

George Fitzpatrick,

Can you please call me tomorrow. 201-712-9300 x 644. Or shoot me an email at evan.smith@sourceinterlink.com. I have some information for you.

Evan

[vic guilmino]

evan
iam going bye what you have said to me at etown last year
and i do not think anybody is running d with f wt.
that would be 300 + #s

[JIM BOUDREAU]

Evan. I'm for lowering the indexes 3 Tenths. This would enable us to run all out for class and not have to slow our cars down at National Events in the spring and fall. Indexes have been the same for at least the last ----what?---15 years. What does the other side of the fence think of lowering indexes? You are our stk/ ss representative, lets get to work!!!!! Only kidding Evan, I know there are a lot of Stk and SS racers that would like to see this happen. Good luck with your new challenge.