Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[Stan Weiss]

This says C/SA for Dick Simon



https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...ACE-CAR-161420


Stan

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

This says C/SA for Dick Simon



https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...ACE-CAR-161420


Stan

C/SA=9.00 makes sense for the Fairlane Convert 427/410 shown.
In 1968, and again from 1973-up, NHRA had
C/SA=9.00-9.49
It says Simon set records in the Fairlane Convert 427/410- I cant find them so I wonder if they were set in the 1973-up timeframe?

But the 1969 Indy results say Simon in D/SA=10.00 class, and the 427 makes too much power to go there except in that big Ford wagon.

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

C/SA=9.00 makes sense for the Fairlane Convert 427/410 shown.
In 1968, and again from 1973-up, NHRA had
C/SA=9.00-9.49
It says Simon set records in the Fairlane Convert 427/410- I cant find them so I wonder if they were set in the 1973-up timeframe?

But the 1969 Indy results say Simon in D/SA=10.00 class, and the 427 makes too much power to go there except in that big Ford wagon.

It's my understanding that the Fairlane was not a factory 427 car.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

It's my understanding that the Fairlane was not a factory 427 car.

It sure was!
1966: About 57 built, AFAIK all hardtops, glass hood, almost all dual quad, maybe a few single quad.

1967: About 229 427 Fairlanes built and 60 427 Comets built. My understanding is all were FACTORY with flat STEEL hoods, but a Ford letter made the glass hood legal. All were built as 4speeds but again a Ford letter made the C6 auto NHRA legal. Most or all were 2dr post or hardtop cars, although the 427 is listed for the convertible too, and the Fairlane wagon (never heard of one built though, neither had NHRA), and the hardtop XL, but not the hardtop GT.

TODAY, you can run the 427 in just about any 66-67 Fairlane you want, but the rules were a little tighter from 68-70.

Lots of wins for the 427/410-4v flat hood Fairlane, and lots of SS wins for the glass hood 427/425-8v Fairlane even though it was factored to 460-472hp by NHRA back in the 1967-71 era.

[DeuceCoupe]

See the tables on pg4 (they need updating) and RatPatrol's list on page 8.
I found the Filo car for L/S=13.00
57 Chev 150 2dr wagon
3406/250=13.62
The 2dr post I had guessed is a better fit to class, but that's Filo in the picture in the T-T race against an identical L/S wagon. Filo's name is on the door.

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=318339

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Always controversy on low production cars. The story I have known for quite awhile is that Ford made 3 (Three) 427 Fairlane rag tops but Ford wont admit it.. Dont know if they all 3 had 2X4's or one four? Simons car is one/was one. His car and a friend of mine here in Florida has one in his garage with the correct title matching "R" code data plate but its in pretty rough shape and no engine or trans. Dont know if Simons car is an "R" code car or not??? I always thought the R code meant 2X 4's???? He is restoring it with a pump gas friendly 427 side oiler for the street but dosent care if it a real one or not. He is just a "Ford" guy with a couple of 55-57 T-Birds, another GTA 390 Fairlane, etc. and likes the way it looks. Wont sell it either. He has some paper work on it and is supposed to have spoken to Simon long ago about it. Who knows where the 3 rd one is today or if there is/was one. One old story is that it was raced on the street when new and crashed. Probibly destroyed if it ever existed?

Posted on Class Racer a number of years ago.



Stan

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Posted on Class Racer a number of years ago.



Stan

Thanks Stan. Note the mention of Simon's OTHER car a 390GTA Fairlane.
A hardtop GTA is not as good a fit as the 2dr post 3267/320=10.21 but the big GTA hardtop does (barely) fit class at
3356/320=10.49 so that would fit our mystery for F/SA=10.00 at 69 Indy.

I'm guessing that because a 2dr post wouldn't be called a GTA, it would just be a 2dr post with a 390GT engine and a C6 auto. But, some refer to the "engine" as the "car". Either way I think this confirms Simon also had a 390/320 car that fits this class.

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

Thanks Stan. Note the mention of Simon's OTHER car a 390GTA Fairlane.
A hardtop GTA is not as good a fit as the 2dr post 3267/320=10.21 but the big GTA hardtop does (barely) fit class at
3356/320=10.49 so that would fit our mystery for F/SA=10.00 at 69 Indy.

I'm guessing that because a 2dr post wouldn't be called a GTA, it would just be a 2dr post with a 390GT engine and a C6 auto. But, some refer to the "engine" as the "car". Either way I think this confirms Simon also had a 390/320 car that fits this class.

Re-read that post. It sounds like he is talking about his friend owning a couple other Fords including the GTA car, not Dick Simons.

As far as Simons' car being a factory 427, I think more hype would have been made about it if that were the case at auction, and it wouldn't have pulled such low numbers. Looks like it was a 289 car according to the same post where the other quote was pulled from...

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...t=47333&page=2

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

It sure was!
1966: About 57 built, AFAIK all hardtops, glass hood, almost all dual quad, maybe a few single quad.

1967: About 229 427 Fairlanes built and 60 427 Comets built. My understanding is all were FACTORY with flat STEEL hoods, but a Ford letter made the glass hood legal. All were built as 4speeds but again a Ford letter made the C6 auto NHRA legal. Most or all were 2dr post or hardtop cars, although the 427 is listed for the convertible too, and the Fairlane wagon (never heard of one built though, neither had NHRA), and the hardtop XL, but not the hardtop GT.

TODAY, you can run the 427 in just about any 66-67 Fairlane you want, but the rules were a little tighter from 68-70.

Lots of wins for the 427/410-4v flat hood Fairlane, and lots of SS wins for the glass hood 427/425-8v Fairlane even though it was factored to 460-472hp by NHRA back in the 1967-71 era.

I was talking about Simon's car in particular being a factory 427 car...not Fairlanes in general.