Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[oldskool]

I would really be interested in knowing what was the quickest time a legal '66 GTO Stocker ever ran, in national NHRA competition, who sponsored the car, who built it, & who drove it.

Would also like to know what year the last SERIOUS '66 Tri-Power GTO Stocker raced, in national NHRA competition.

I'm not aware of any that have run this century.

May not have been any since the late '60's or early '70's, since there have been so many later model Pontiac combos that were more competitive.

Unless a '66 GTO would show up on some win list or nat record list, I don't know how you'd ever find the info I'm talkin about.

I'll ask on a couple of Pontiac sites I'm on & see if anybody has any related info.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I would really be interested in knowing what was the quickest time a legal '66 GTO Stocker ever ran, in national NHRA competition, who sponsored the car, who built it, & who drove it.

Would also like to know what year the last SERIOUS '66 Tri-Power GTO Stocker raced, in national NHRA competition.

I'm not aware of any that have run this century.

May not have been any since the late '60's or early '70's, since there have been so many later model Pontiac combos that were more competitive.

Unless a '66 GTO would show up on some win list or nat record list, I don't know how you'd ever find the info I'm talkin about.

I'll ask on a couple of Pontiac sites I'm on & see if anybody has any related info.

Unfo most win lists don’t detail model, and often not even model year.

I know a 66 2+2 won H/SA...but thats not a GTO.

When I was writing up Pontiac for my site...for 1966, I found it VERY difficult finding any GTO pics of NHRA stockers.

It may be that they weren’t very class competetive....but thats DC’s area of expertise....

[oldskool]

"...for 1966, I found it VERY difficult finding any GTO pics of NHRA stockers..."

I don't have any trouble finding pics, for cars that raced that year. But, just can't find much info about any '66 GTO's that raced AFTER '66.

Maybe most of the serious Pontiac Stock racers switched to the '67 Bird's, with the new 400 engine, Q-jet carb, & TH400 trans.

Then in '68, there were the open chamber D-port heads & the RA2 round port head engines.

Then of course, came the RA4 engines, in '69. Guessing that by '69, most all the serious '66 GTO Stockers were gone.

So, I have no idea if the '66 Tri-Power GTO's ever got into the 11's or not. Guessing that low 12's is as quick as they got, in legal Stock form, before they disappeared from the tracks.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

"...for 1966, I found it VERY difficult finding any GTO pics of NHRA stockers..."

I don't have any trouble finding pics, for cars that raced that year. But, just can't find much info about any '66 GTO's that raced AFTER '66.

Maybe most of the serious Pontiac Stock racers switched to the '67 Bird's, with the new 400 engine, Q-jet carb, & TH400 trans.

Then in '68, there were the open chamber D-port heads & the RA2 round port head engines.

Then of course, came the RA4 engines, in '69. Guessing that by '69, most all the serious '66 GTO Stockers were gone.

So, I have no idea if the '66 Tri-Power GTO's ever got into the 11's or not. Guessing that low 12's is as quick as they got, in legal Stock form, before they disappeared from the tracks.

If you have a pic of a 64 with class chalkings and possible ET I’d be most grateful.

I had to use a pic of the GeeTO promo car!

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

If you have a pic of a 64 with class chalkings and possible ET I’d be most grateful.

I had to use a pic of the GeeTO promo car!

Well, the pics I have of NHRA '64 GTO Stockers don't have chalk markings. But I do have pics of 3, which had B/S PAINTED on 'em. Assume all 3 were Tri-Power cars.

None have an ET marked on 'em. The pic of the Gay Pontiac GTO was very small, since it was part of a pic of their 3-car hauler rig. But, it does have B/S on it. The Packer Pontiac GTO LOOKS like a serious Stocker. But I don't know how quick it was. Assume there were some running mid 12's.

The "Lil 2 Speed" car apparently ran AHRA, which had different rules. So the chalk markings are quite different than NHRA markings. I think they could run one 2-barrel carb, or one 4-barrel carb, or multiple carbs, with the same car. It would just be in a different class, with each carb set-up.

[oldskool]

I assume I'm probably the last guy to know about this.

But, just in case I'm not, & somebody else might get some use out of it, this appears to be pdf versions of '58 thru '69 NHRA rule books.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2006u57wp...myEgvaR8KYSowa

Sure would like to find access to lots of old ND papers, to get nat record info & race results from.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Well, the pics I have of NHRA '64 GTO Stockers don't have chalk markings. But I do have pics of 3, which had B/S PAINTED on 'em. Assume all 3 were Tri-Power cars.

None have an ET marked on 'em. The pic of the Gay Pontiac GTO was very small, since it was part of a pic of their 3-car hauler rig. But, it does have B/S on it. The Packer Pontiac GTO LOOKS like a serious Stocker. But I don't know how quick it was. Assume there were some running mid 12's.

The "Lil 2 Speed" car apparently ran AHRA, which had different rules. So the chalk markings are quite different than NHRA markings. I think they could run one 2-barrel carb, or one 4-barrel carb, or multiple carbs, with the same car. It would just be in a different class, with each carb set-up.

Gays was a 62 Ventura. I believe, ran A/Stock in 63, B/Stock in 64.

The Papoose is what I was looking for. B/Stock would seem to be the right fit for the car in 64- although I don’t know the quoted weight so can’t consult the charts. I’ll assume its what the 64 Goats were slotted into.

[Rat Patrol]

OS - I have a conundrum for you.

In the Pontiac stocker thread, you quote Boyce’s book ( I won’t judge��) as saying this car was totalled in a wreck after coming runner up at Indy in class.

1 SS/S was a one meet, one year class in 62.

2- The winning SS/S cars and r/ups are in my web page, they were Proffits Ventura and Faubels Dodge - both 410/425 hp cars.

3 - This car is depicted as a 368hp 389cui 61 Cat .....

So, it couldn't possibly have run in SS/S in 62 competitively.

Do you think they might have swapped in a 421SD?

Or, is this more Boyce ‘laziness’ where they’ve guessed the driver, car or picture?

Either way, it was not a runner up in SS/S unless it was in disguise!

HOWEVER - There IS a possibility it ran as r/up in A/SA at Indy 62, as a 61 389 34?hp car driven by Ralph Hardt won class...and I have nor record of the r/up.

But surely they didn’t swap out motors at the meet.....which makes me think a different Packer car MAY have run as r/up in A/SA.

Your thoughts?

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I would really be interested in knowing what was the quickest time a legal '66 GTO Stocker ever ran, in national NHRA competition, who sponsored the car, who built it, & who drove it.

Would also like to know what year the last SERIOUS '66 Tri-Power GTO Stocker raced, in national NHRA competition.

I'm not aware of any that have run this century.

May not have been any since the late '60's or early '70's, since there have been so many later model Pontiac combos that were more competitive.

Unless a '66 GTO would show up on some win list or nat record list, I don't know how you'd ever find the info I'm talkin about.

I'll ask on a couple of Pontiac sites I'm on & see if anybody has any related info.

The fastest WIN I have is Vanke at Spring 66
12.70 at 108.82
In C/S=9.50 class.
That's also the 1st & ONLY National win I'm showing for the 389 GTO, either 4v or 6v. I think the 400 was rated more competitively.
Seems like after Spring 66, the W30, RA1, and Z28 took over that class.

[Terry Witzel]

..Allie would have run either a '69 Mustang fastback or coupe 428 cj..



Bill Allie was a member of The Fastbacks racing team, but ran a '69 coupe with a vinyl top.