Best Pontiac Powered Stockers

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by oldskool

A guy on another site is asking for info on the Ray Hunt Pontiacs. This pic of a '72 A-body is all I can find. It may have been a Super Stocker, at the time. Can't tell, for sure. I think Ray was connected to Mid-America Speed Centers. May have owned it. Don't know.

Anybody have more info on Ray Hunt Pontiacs ?

Don't know if this is the same Ray Hunt.


Stan


Lot #976.1 - Sold new at Klinger Warner Pontiac in Ann Arbor, MI and used strictly for drag racing purposes in D-Stock Eliminator by former owner Ray Hunt from 1968 to 1998. A consistent NHRA winner plus two-time IHRA Northern National Championship wins with racing photos included. Restored back to stock condition in 2004 using all correct or original components. Never cut or tubbed. P.H.S. Documentation and Window Sticker along with owner history and previous title copies included. Vehicle features include 400/335hp WT Coded engine, M20 wide ratio 4-speed, 4.10 posi-traction rear end, power brakes, Rally gauges with tachometer, AM radio with Verba-phonic, wood grain steering wheel, black vinyl upholstery, black vinyl covered top, outstanding chrome, stainless, trim and glass, all four original T-3 headlamps, Rally II wheels with redline tires and refinished in the original Regimental Red.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...HARDTOP-137948

[oldskool]

"... A consistent NHRA winner plus two-time IHRA Northern National Championship wins with racing photos included..."

Would love to see those pics & links to the race win results.

"...Don't know if this is the same Ray Hunt..."

I don't know either.

Note: Ray is connected to the "Warrior" intakes, which were supposedly copies of the original "Nash" intake. May have even had a business called "Warrior Racing Products". He gets real bad reviews on some Pontiac sites. Here's one of the "nice" threads about him.

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...d.php?t=422060

But, I'm not interested in that. I'm only interested in the Pontiac powered cars he may have either driven or sponsored, in Stock or Super Stock.

Assume the '67 linked may have looked similar to this F/SA '67, but a bit more red.

[oldskool]

I thought this was a "Feel Good" racing story.

Lindy Lindholm raced a '74 Firebird Formula. A few years back, somebody stole the car & trailer.

Today, Leo Glasbrenner told me that, with police help, he found the Lindy Lindholm '74 Formula Stocker.

The thieves had messed up some stuff. So Leo fixed/freshened everything, got it race ready, & then surprised Lindy with it ! Ain't that cool ?

Lindy raced it at Vegas, & somehow I just didn't see it.

It ran .736 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2021#indextop

[chris ok]

I had the warrior performance catalogue/pamphlet. I bought some parts from them in circa 1988. Ram Air IV cam lifters springs and a chain and assorted goodies. I built up a budget backyard 455 I picked up. I would dream looking at that intake and other equipment. Still have my Pontiac performance books on numbers and mods. Forget the names now.
Cool thread.
Having a GTO stocker must’ve been awesome. Ram Air IV cars are still my fav cars of all time. Especially the 1969s.

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by chris ok

I had the warrior performance catalogue/pamphlet. I bought some parts from them in circa 1988. Ram Air IV cam lifters springs and a chain and assorted goodies. I built up a budget backyard 455 I picked up. I would dream looking at that intake and other equipment. Still have my Pontiac performance books on numbers and mods. Forget the names now.
Cool thread.
Having a GTO stocker must’ve been awesome. Ram Air IV cars are still my fav cars of all time. Especially the 1969s.

Since you live in New York, I assume you are familiar with Pontiac guys Richie Hoffman & Nunzi Romano.

For any reading this who don't know these guys, Richie is well known for his Pontiac powered bracket racing & Pontiac engine building.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...3884&p=3898670

Nunzi has done it all. I suppose he was the biggest name in Pontiac performance & racing, for decades. I'm quite sure I've posted pics of some Stockers he either owned or sponsored. I'll look 'em up & post 'em here.

Pics 2-4 are of a '62 Cat which ran C/S. Pics 5-7 are what I assume is either the same car, restored, or a re-creation of it, which ran D/S.

Pics 8 & 9 are of a '69 Judge which says on the rear quarter "Prepared by Nunzi's Automotive".

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showpost...93&postcount=1

I'm sure he did work on, & probably built engines for other Stockers, back in the old days. If you guys know of any, please post info and/or pics.

[oldskool]

While lookin for the Nunzi prepped '69 Judge, I ran across 2 more '69 Judge Stockers, which I'd found pics of but don't think I've posted here.

The 1st one is was named "Jolly Olly Orange". Orange obviously referred to the color of the car. Don't know about the Jolly Olly part. It has "Schoon Motors" on the rear quarter. The 1st pic shows that it was towed behind a car, with a tow bar. That's how I started. In that pic, I think the car in the other lane is the "Viking" '70 Judge, another Schoon Motors car.

The 2nd car had "Whittington Pontiac" on the door.

[oldskool]

OK guys, for you guys who were @ Indy in '72, AND were familiar with Stock & SS cars at that time, I need some help here. Just ran across a post on a Pontiac forum which was talkin about the '72 Lemans/GTO that Truman Fields ran in '72. All the pics I have of the car show it to be running SS. But, this post seems to have said that for Indy '72, the car was switched over to the G/S class. Said it won the class @ Indy & set the G/S nat record. I found pics of it supposedly taken @ Indy '72. It was clearly running SS. Would appreciate any help in getting to the truth about these 2 Pontiacs that Truman Fields had, in '72.

In order to present the questions I have, here's a copy of what I posted on the forum thread.

" "...The car set SS/K records right off the trailer back in '72. Pontiac sent a role of 455 HO GTO stickers in the glove box. They would often take the Goat stickers off and run it as a Lemans as it had a 200 lb. weight brake in SS/I. Pontiac built the car very light and in SS/K they would have to add the 200 lbs. to make weight. There is a fair amount of hidden trickery from Pontiac to do so when the car was shipped. It had been successful enough that Mother Mopar set the Ramchargers, Sox and Martin...after them. They never got there and beat the HO..."

OK, I'd still like to get to the bottom of this. So far, I haven't found any online evidence to prove that The '72 Lemans/GTO was ever run in any class besides Super Stock.

BUT, IF I'm understanding what I've quoted below, it appears that the author said that the same '72 Lemans/GTO that ran SS @ Indy '72, was converted to & ran G/S @ Indy '72. Says it got the '72 Indy G/S class win & set the G/S national record. I don't think it's possible to run both Stock AND SS, in the same car, at the same national event. If it was allowed, the car would have to pass tech for the Stock class it was running. If it was legal for Stock, then it would have been slow for SS, @ Indy. So, who would do that, even if they could ?

"...Ford was a pain in Pontiac's side at the time with the 428 CJ stick cars still being a dominate force in stock. With this in mind they switched to G/S for INDY in '72. The car promptly went out and set the G/S record and won class. The nearest 428 CJ car was running over 0.4 behind. They sold the Goat immediately after INDY. The car went on to reset the G/S records in '74 and twice in '75. It made runner up at INDY but never won INDY again. Truman got transferred by IBM and he also let the 455 HO E/SA Formula go at that time that Pontiac had provided..."

That post also says that the '72 Lemans/GTO was sold in '72, but "...went on to reset the G/S records in '74 and twice in '75..."

Well, that brings up more questions. For me, the questions this post brings up are:

(1) Did that '72 Lemans/GTO actually run BOTH Stock AND Super Stock ?

(2) Were there TWO of these '72 Lemans/GTO cars, one in Stock & 1 in SS ? (I've never seen another mentioned)

(3) Was the G/S class winner/record holder car mentioned actually the Firebird that was mentioned, of which I have never seen any pics or performance/race results ?

(4) Who owned/ran the car that set records in '74 & '75, AFTER it had been sold ?

(5) What exactly is the truth about this '72 Lemans/GTO & the '72 Firebird, both which Truman Fields supposedly ran in '72 ?

Main question: What car actually ran G/S, won the G/S class @ Indy '72, then reset the G/S nat record in '74 & '75 ?

Can anybody PLEASE shed some light on this ?

I HATE to say a member is posting false info. But I haven't been able to find a single shred of evidence that the '72 Lemans/GTO that Truman Fields had, ever ran in any Stock class.

Somebody please help me get to the truth here !!! It may not be important to anyone else. But, if a Pontiac did indeed win class @ Indy & set the nat record in 3 different years, I think that is important enuff to report on. "

Note: In doing some more research on these cars I ran across this fact, which I'm sure I've read, but had forgotten. Besides winning Stock @ Indy '73, in his '68 Bird Stocker, setting nat records, winning class @ Indy, he was also IHRA Stock champ 2 years. "...Truman was also the IHRA World Champion in 1982 and 1983 and a Car Craft All-Star in 1984..."