combo killers

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

Not really sure how many rule "changes" have occurred since the indexes were last adjusted, but I think the leniency and absence of tech has caused the "index problem." Namely the "stock" heads and intakes that are deemed legal today versus what was deemed legal 15-20 years ago.

Young man that’s not it
Go to a reputable engine shop and get the best stuff
Hard work and $
American It’s your $ choose where and how to spend it
And you have a fast car.
Also crying about the problem ain’t solving it
What done is done so you gotta adjust to fix it or buy more lead
Sort of like comp 😂

[MW7670]

The original post was about 1 man destroying a combo for 25-75 other racers for No reasonable reason! The guy who started this post has every right to be upset. Let me go spend thousands of dollars this week to pick up a tenth and watch this guy go F it up over one weekend. Can’t fix S****d This post is Not about index’s not being adjusted , Not carbs vs efi, Not a combo that’s too soft etc etc. someone stated If I need to protect my combo then it needs horsepower. Thats completely untrue! more than 3/4 of the field is doing the same thing and has done it for years! Weight, Oil, bias ply tires, timing etc. to protect their own combo. The guy hasn’t even done it when it matters the most. A Heads Up late in a race for a trip to the final or a bye to the final etc. Not even a class final!! 🤦🏼*♂️

[Jon Sarrett]

Originally Posted by MW7670

The original post was about 1 man destroying a combo for 25-75 other racers for No reasonable reason! The guy who started this post has every right to be upset. Let me go spend thousands of dollars this week to pick up a tenth and watch this guy go F it up over one weekend. Can’t fix S****d This post is Not about index’s not being adjusted , Not carbs vs efi, Not a combo that’s too soft etc etc. someone stated If I need to protect my combo then it needs horsepower. Thats completely untrue! more than 3/4 of the field is doing the same thing and has done it for years! Weight, Oil, bias ply tires, timing etc. to protect their own combo. The guy hasn’t even done it when it matters the most. A Heads Up late in a race for a trip to the final or a bye to the final etc. Not even a class final!! 🤦🏼*♂️

Back when I was building my Camaro, Warren whipped the 4th gen LT1 into 358 hp before I had my car ready for the track. Was I upset, yes! Did I come to a public forum and raise hell about it, no. That hit was wide spread and pretty much put the 93-98 LT1's on the back burner unless you can write some big checks! Some of you guys need to pull up your pants and tighten your belts! This is the sport we voluntarily chose to participate in. If you don't like it, go play croquet or shuffle board.

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Jon Sarrett

Some of you guys need to pull up your pants and tighten your belts! This is the sport we voluntarily chose to participate in. If you don't like it, go play croquet or shuffle board.

Well said and dead on with a zero.

If we decide to race stock, I promise I will kill the combo we run.

[Race Clean]

This class and type of racing has sure changed alot in the 40+ years I have tried to be competitive.
It make no sence to me as a guy that spent 2-3 years trying to make the index in the beginning that now 95% of the racers(that probably been doing this as long or longer) are talking about saving thier combo's rather than talking about a better way to show what they got!


The whole appeal in all this ais just going the wrong way

[Doug Hoven]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Young man that’s not it
Go to a reputable engine shop and get the best stuff
Hard work and $
American It’s your $ choose where and how to spend it
And you have a fast car.
Also crying about the problem ain’t solving it
What done is done so you gotta adjust to fix it or buy more lead
Sort of like comp ��

At least for slow guys like me most of the rounds of racing we have are not heads up anyway. And money can’t buy good driving.

[Billy Nees]

Hoo Boy!

[1347]

There are no awards given to the " most stock" engine in class racing. The rules are what they are and you work within what passes tech. They are never going back to the valve spring rule, or any other rules that people feel have gone too far. If you don't take advantage of where we have gone and what's allowed, its a personal decision. Bitching about it on here will not change it. Either work harder on your stuff, or work harder to make more money to pay someone to make your stuff faster. Money has brought this about, and it's like that in every sport. It's been going on in Nascar since the fist car went around the track, and it has been going on in NHRA just as long. "Being competetive" was a term labeled in Nascar for people like Junior Johnson, Smokey Yunick, and many others. It applies to every sport, not just racing.
The AHFS even though some don't like it, gives you a clear cut path to get hp. I wasn't around, but hear stories of cars randomly getting hp by tech inspectors with no real explanation. Alot of people have said there sometimes was no rhyme or reason to it. Nowadays, there are combos that are at an advantage that there are enough cars to keep the average down to counter some fast cars who don't care to play the game. Others are less fortunate, but that's the way it is.

I understand its frustrating to get hp after you have worked hard with what money you have to only be set back again, or to be at a disadvantage when you show up at a race with the slowest car in your class hoping for a miracle on a heads up run, but for alot of class racers, it's what we enjoy wether we have the fastest car or not. I don't have the fastest combo in my class, but was able to pull a class win at Indy on the other cars misfortune, will I be the fastest car this year, maybe not, but I'm still going to Indy to try again this year. I would still rather go to Indy and lose class than race a weekly 1/8 mile program at my local drag strip. And I am not putting local racers down. I did it most of my life, and still have many friends that still do it.

[Rick J]

So a guy decides he wants to go fast and play the game his way, so he writes Tilburg a check to help him do so.
Still not sure why this is still being discussed?

3 things that can be done,

1. Write Tilburg a check
2. Avoid races said fast guy enters
3. Add/Pull weight to change your class

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Rick J

So a guy decides he wants to go fast and play the game his way, so he writes Tilburg a check to help him do so.
Still not sure why this is still being discussed?

3 things that can be done,

1. Write Tilburg a check
2. Avoid races said fast guy enters
3. Add/Pull weight to change your class

4. Build a combo which fits into a class that doesn't have dozens of cars in it and own it