'67 Camaro E/SA redo - Page 11

Tim H · 03-03-2014, 10:03 PM

sorry thought I had found the fitting but it was not long enough

brent flynn · 03-03-2014, 11:05 PM

Rich, you can always take the stock fitting, drill and tap for 3/8 pipe thread, and screw an AN fitting into it, like i did...

Bill Harris · 03-03-2014, 11:49 PM

I agree with Rich that you are probably OK with the heat on the tubes from the welding as long as the axles/bearings don't show signs of misalignment. It is possible to distort the tubes since the heat is being applied to one side and not the other but since it is fairly localized around the perch it isn't as bad as, say, welding a full-width brace across the housing like is often done on 9" FoMoCo rears. If you have to force the axle in one direction to get the bearing into its seat in the tube that indicates a distortion problem.

I'll mention one other thing that I noticed in the picture in post #60. I've taken a lot of s**t for mentioning rules, but here goes. The rule book, under the Traction Bars section says that "mounting brackets (to the rear axle housing) may not be lower than the lowest edge of the wheel rim." In the picture, it looks like the added spacers have pushed the Cal-track arm bracket and rod-end so that they are below the wheel rim. It may be a parallax issue in the picture, and probably no one in tech would notice or care, but my anal-retentiveness insists that I point it out. I know on my car that the Cal-track spring plate has the bar brackets just long enough so that it passes that rule on a 15" rim with no additional spacers, and I suspect that Calvert designed them that way to maximize the lever arm length and stay within the rules. Not trying to stir the pot, just sayin'....

Good luck with the car, and have some fun!

HandOverFist · 03-04-2014, 02:12 AM

Thanks again Bill - Funny how probably hundreds of people not to mention myself looked right at the problem and it never occurred what the actual culprit was. I'm so dumb sometimes I amaze myself.

This is the first time I have ever put pinion angle shims in a car. When first measured it showed 2-1/2 degrees negative...we thought it might like another 2 degrees. I'm going to pull the shims out Wednesday and just run it without them Saturday for effect. I can add some at a later date to test. Meanwhile I will email Moser with some pic's and explain it was "operator error" lol. Btw, when I re-installed the axles they slid in with no effort so the tubes are probably ok. Thanks to all who tried to help and I hope to have some decent reports of progress by Saturday evening.

HandOverFist · 03-04-2014, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brent flynn

Rich, you can always take the stock fitting, drill and tap for 3/8 pipe thread, and screw an AN fitting into it, like i did...

Thanks Brent...I may end up going that route.

HandOverFist · 03-04-2014, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Turner

This is the link to the extension fitting:
http://quadrajetparts.com/rochester-...ing-p-436.html

Then you need this adapter - (available from other sources.)
http://quadrajetparts.com/rochester-...ing-p-370.html

I assumed that you were working with a Quadrajet carb. The search continues.

Dave - I think that combination would actually work on the Edelbrock quadrajet. It would be a little longer than my current fittings, but longer is much easier to deal with than shorter...thanks buddy!

Rich Biebel · 03-04-2014, 08:14 AM

I raced a G/SA Nova back in the mid '90s for a season or two.
P/G 350/255 It went high 11's with a very old school engine.

It did sixty foot very well for the et......low 1.50's so If I had that Camaro with a 3 speed and hi compression engine I would be looking for 60 foot times in the low 1.40's....

The hi compression engines were always tougher to make run fast relative to the low compression engines. HP difference was not realistic.

I still would like to have that car.....I like my dragster but still love Camaro stockers....Have fun...enjoy it...

Bob Gullett · 03-04-2014, 10:43 AM

This is what I use in mine with my Edelbrock Q-Jet

http://www.jegs.com/i/Russell/799/640350/10002/-1
You can use a 45 degree AN fitting on your hose or use one of these if you already have a straight fitting.

http://summitracing.com/dom/parts/ea...8erl/overview/

HandOverFist · 03-04-2014, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

I raced a G/SA Nova back in the mid '90s for a season or two.
P/G 350/255 It went high 11's with a very old school engine.

It did sixty foot very well for the et......low 1.50's so If I had that Camaro with a 3 speed and hi compression engine I would be looking for 60 foot times in the low 1.40's....

The hi compression engines were always tougher to make run fast relative to the low compression engines. HP difference was not realistic.

I still would like to have that car.....I like my dragster but still love Camaro stockers....Have fun...enjoy it...

Yeah Rich, I'm expecting drastic improvement this go. Pretty sure the very first pass last Saturday bent the perches at the initial hit and it was fighting a bad pinion angle all the way down the track...amazing it was able to muster a 7.21 in the 1/8 mile. My gut tells me this car should 60' at least a 1.48. I'll be tickled to death if it runs a 11.20 in the 1/4 mile.

Rich Biebel · 03-04-2014, 12:25 PM

E/SA and a good car is probably running 10.80 in decent air.

11.20 is a good start and MPH tells the tale on power. 115-116 is probably also a realistic number to expect. They tend to MPH pretty weak.....

Whatever it runs......do a little tricky math I do to gauge how it is running.

Multiply your ET by your MPH and see what number comes up.

1300 is weak on MPH and most stockers would run numbers in the 1300's or 1310's

Fast cars that run good MPH will be 1340 or higher

A very good balanced bracket car is in the 1330's....

It's just a factor number that can help gauge how well a car ET's vs MPH...and since Stockers ET very well vs MPH they will be at the low end of the scale...

Steep first gear.....low gear in the rear.....good for ET's ....
Restrictive cam,heads and intake manifold.....not good for MPH...

Fast bracket cars like my dragster will pick up 30+ mph on the back half......I run an average of 146 at the 1/8th and run 177-178+ with injection......

Stockers are fun but slow by comparison.....

03-03-2014, 10:03 PM	#101
Tim H VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,013 Likes: 914 Liked 434 Times in 145 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo sorry thought I had found the fitting but it was not long enough Last edited by Tim H; 03-03-2014 at 10:06 PM. Reason: mistake

03-03-2014, 11:05 PM	#102
brent flynn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Middletown, IN Posts: 593 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Rich, you can always take the stock fitting, drill and tap for 3/8 pipe thread, and screw an AN fitting into it, like i did... __________________ 1968 Bird/TRW 455/Home ported 13's, '70 Qjet,Holley Street Dominator manifold, Comp Solid FT, 10.817/122.30/1.440 Workin' on E/SA combo 3119 E/SA

03-03-2014, 11:49 PM	#103
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 420 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo I agree with Rich that you are probably OK with the heat on the tubes from the welding as long as the axles/bearings don't show signs of misalignment. It is possible to distort the tubes since the heat is being applied to one side and not the other but since it is fairly localized around the perch it isn't as bad as, say, welding a full-width brace across the housing like is often done on 9" FoMoCo rears. If you have to force the axle in one direction to get the bearing into its seat in the tube that indicates a distortion problem. I'll mention one other thing that I noticed in the picture in post #60. I've taken a lot of s*t for mentioning rules, but here goes. The rule book, under the Traction Bars section says that "mounting brackets (to the rear axle housing) may not be lower than the lowest edge of the wheel rim." In the picture, it looks like the added spacers have pushed the Cal-track arm bracket and rod-end so that they are below the wheel rim. It may be a parallax issue in the picture, and probably no one in tech would notice or care, but my anal-retentiveness insists that I point it out. I know on my car that the Cal-track spring plate has the bar brackets just long enough so that it passes that rule on a 15" rim with no additional spacers, and I suspect that Calvert designed them that way to maximize the lever arm length and stay within the rules. Not trying to stir the pot, just sayin'.... Good luck with the car, and have some fun! __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S Last edited by Bill Harris; 03-04-2014 at 12:26 AM. Reason: added note*

03-04-2014, 02:12 AM	#104
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,655 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Thanks again Bill - Funny how probably hundreds of people not to mention myself looked right at the problem and it never occurred what the actual culprit was. I'm so dumb sometimes I amaze myself. This is the first time I have ever put pinion angle shims in a car. When first measured it showed 2-1/2 degrees negative...we thought it might like another 2 degrees. I'm going to pull the shims out Wednesday and just run it without them Saturday for effect. I can add some at a later date to test. Meanwhile I will email Moser with some pic's and explain it was "operator error" lol. Btw, when I re-installed the axles they slid in with no effort so the tubes are probably ok. Thanks to all who tried to help and I hope to have some decent reports of progress by Saturday evening. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321

03-04-2014, 08:14 AM	#107
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,275 Likes: 25 Liked 510 Times in 200 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo I raced a G/SA Nova back in the mid '90s for a season or two. P/G 350/255 It went high 11's with a very old school engine. It did sixty foot very well for the et......low 1.50's so If I had that Camaro with a 3 speed and hi compression engine I would be looking for 60 foot times in the low 1.40's.... The hi compression engines were always tougher to make run fast relative to the low compression engines. HP difference was not realistic. I still would like to have that car.....I like my dragster but still love Camaro stockers....Have fun...enjoy it... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479

03-04-2014, 10:43 AM	#108
Bob Gullett VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,069 Likes: 42 Liked 414 Times in 92 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo This is what I use in mine with my Edelbrock Q-Jet http://www.jegs.com/i/Russell/799/640350/10002/-1 You can use a 45 degree AN fitting on your hose or use one of these if you already have a straight fitting. http://summitracing.com/dom/parts/ea...8erl/overview/ __________________ 68 Chevy11 327 F/S

03-04-2014, 12:25 PM	#110
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,275 Likes: 25 Liked 510 Times in 200 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo E/SA and a good car is probably running 10.80 in decent air. 11.20 is a good start and MPH tells the tale on power. 115-116 is probably also a realistic number to expect. They tend to MPH pretty weak..... Whatever it runs......do a little tricky math I do to gauge how it is running. Multiply your ET by your MPH and see what number comes up. 1300 is weak on MPH and most stockers would run numbers in the 1300's or 1310's Fast cars that run good MPH will be 1340 or higher A very good balanced bracket car is in the 1330's.... It's just a factor number that can help gauge how well a car ET's vs MPH...and since Stockers ET very well vs MPH they will be at the low end of the scale... Steep first gear.....low gear in the rear.....good for ET's .... Restrictive cam,heads and intake manifold.....not good for MPH... Fast bracket cars like my dragster will pick up 30+ mph on the back half......I run an average of 146 at the 1/8th and run 177-178+ with injection...... Stockers are fun but slow by comparison..... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Last edited by Rich Biebel; 03-04-2014 at 12:29 PM.