Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' - Page 12

Hemi Moose · 08-24-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BadBanana

Hey, HemiMoose, I wrote that General Kinetics ad when I was the Marketing Manager and phone tech guy back then, I, also, wrote and edited their first real catalog. Still have a copy.
Dave Colbert

Hey BadBanana, do you remember any more stories from the team that worked on Ray Allen's Chevelle SS that you mentioned in an earlier post, maybe talk about the camshaft profile they used or any other interesting points about them building the car, were you ever present at any dyno sessions, or did they ever talk about any extra weight added to the car anywhere, etc.

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Rich Biebel · 08-25-2011, 07:09 AM

There were no "dyno sessions" back then. Dynos were not common or as regularly used by drag racers or their engine builders.

T/K did not have a dyno untill they moved to the place they were in for many years....and well after the Chevelle....

John Hoffman may have had a dyno in the old days but I am not sure....He built them and sold them.

Bob Pagano · 08-25-2011, 08:45 AM

Rich is correct, the shop in Piscataway was very small. The Greenbrook shop was where the dyno was put in by the mid 70s

Chevy454 · 08-25-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

The Low-Riser was required, to allow for proper hood clearance.
Intake was for both the Corvette and Chevelle SS454 LS-6 cars.

As many have said before, the GM 163 hi-rise intake fits just fine with the original carb & cowl induction air cleaner setup on the '70 Chevelles...that's what we run on Red Alert [see below].

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Is that really a fiber optic light monitor I see on the front fender in the last shot you posted?

Kidding, right?

LOL, don't laugh, our original "Red Alert" '70 LS6 Chevelle has fiber optics, rear defrost, power windows, console, etc...decked out for a friggin' race car. She's heavy, but she can still get 'em off the ground...

Rich Biebel · 08-25-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chevy454

As many have said before, the GM 163 hi-rise intake fits just fine with the original carb & cowl induction air cleaner setup on the '70 Chevelles...that's what we run on Red Alert [see below].

LOL, don't laugh, our original "Red Alert" '70 LS6 Chevelle has fiber optics, rear defrost, power windows, console, etc...decked out for a friggin' race car. She's heavy, but she can still get 'em off the ground...

You really need an Alf Wiebe rear suspension......Way to much chassis twist.....

Chevy454 · 08-25-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

You really need an Alf Wiebe rear suspension......Way to much chassis twist.....

But the ladies love it!

We still have the Dick Gazan setup (that was later bought by Morrison?) on the car that Bill Stephensen had Dick install back in the late '80s/early '90s when he was match racing it regularly. I think that shot is before we put the new shocks on it, but it still has a little twist to it...we've checked and re-checked the rear setup, and it still twists a little? Our Nova leaves straight as a string, but not the Chevelle...!

Rich Biebel · 08-25-2011, 04:34 PM

I built engines for a racer who posts on here.....Ed Bigley....

He had a '68 Chevelle and it had Alf Wiebe rear suspension.....http://classracer.com/classforum/alb...pictureid=5258

The car went in the 9's on a small tire. It did big wheelstands on every pass on a decent starting line and there was no twisting of the front end.....

I looked at the Wiebe bars and they are very trick.......I am not sure if he still makes and sells them though....

Paul Ceasrine · 08-25-2011, 04:42 PM

Yenko built '99' 'Special 1969 Chevelle COPO 427 cars.
Code #9562

K Stubbs · 08-25-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

1970/1971 LS-6 Intake Manifold
Chevrolet Part #3963569
Low-Riser Big Block Dual-Plane

Carburetor Holley 800 CFM (1 11/16" x 1 11/16")
Square bore carburetor mount / rectangular-shape intake port

The Low-Riser was required, to allow for proper hood clearance.
Intake was for both the Corvette and Chevelle SS454 LS-6 cars.

Why didnt anyone use the "474" highrise manifold back then? It even had an open plenum.

Paul Ceasrine · 09-01-2011, 11:27 AM

1970 Summernationals @ York US30 Drag-O-Way
SS/EA Class Winner
Tim Richards in the Karl Gould 1970 Superbird 426 Hemi
(engine by Sox & Martin, transmission by Tim Richards)

08-25-2011, 07:09 AM	#112
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,275 Likes: 25 Liked 510 Times in 200 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' There were no "dyno sessions" back then. Dynos were not common or as regularly used by drag racers or their engine builders. T/K did not have a dyno untill they moved to the place they were in for many years....and well after the Chevelle.... John Hoffman may have had a dyno in the old days but I am not sure....He built them and sold them. __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479

08-25-2011, 08:45 AM	#113
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 214 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Rich is correct, the shop in Piscataway was very small. The Greenbrook shop was where the dyno was put in by the mid 70s __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

08-25-2011, 04:34 PM	#117
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,275 Likes: 25 Liked 510 Times in 200 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' I built engines for a racer who posts on here.....Ed Bigley.... He had a '68 Chevelle and it had Alf Wiebe rear suspension.....http://classracer.com/classforum/alb...pictureid=5258 The car went in the 9's on a small tire. It did big wheelstands on every pass on a decent starting line and there was no twisting of the front end..... I looked at the Wiebe bars and they are very trick.......I am not sure if he still makes and sells them though.... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Last edited by Rich Biebel; 08-25-2011 at 04:42 PM.

08-25-2011, 04:42 PM	#118
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Yenko built '99' 'Special 1969 Chevelle COPO 427 cars. Code #9562 Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 08-25-2011 at 04:46 PM.

09-01-2011, 11:27 AM	#120
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' 1970 Summernationals @ York US30 Drag-O-Way SS/EA Class Winner Tim Richards in the Karl Gould 1970 Superbird 426 Hemi (engine by Sox & Martin, transmission by Tim Richards)