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The rules are more like an old AHRA rule book. FTI X-TREME STREET TECH CARD $150.00 OCT 22,23,24th @ SGMP n/a SB 2500lbs n/a BB short deck conventional head 2900lbs n/a BB tall deck conventional head 3000lbs n/a BB short deck big chief 3000lbs n/a BB 10.2 tall deck big chief 3150lbs 28 X 10.5 nonW slick or 275 drag radial Nitrous Small Block: 2600 lbs Nitrous Big Block (10.2 deck okay,: 3200 lbs add 150 lbs for Big Chief Add 50 lbs on all nitrous combos w/non stock suspension, must have stock frame rail Big Chief combos max 3 kits supercharged (SB only)- 3100lbs base weight with F1C or Ysi add 100lbs for F1R/Xi or add 150lbs for Z trim or = add 200lbs for F2 add 50lbs for non inline head deduct 50 lbs for non intercooled add 50lbs for non stock suspension; must have stock frame rail notch okay gear drive okay 28 X 10.5 nonW slick or 275 drag radial single turbo (SB only)- 3100lbs base weight with 80 mm add 100lbs for bigger than 80 mm add 150lbs for 88 mm add 200lbs for 94 mm add 100lbs for non inline head deduct 50lbs for non intercooled add 50lbs for non stock suspension, must have stock frame rail - notch okay 28 X 10.5 nonW slick or 275 drag radial twin turbo's (SB only)- 3300lbs base weight max 67 mm add 50 lbs 70 mm add 150lbs 76 mm add 200 lbs 80 mm (must run on 275) add 100lbs for non stock suspension, must have stock frame rail notch okay 28 X 10.5 nonW slick or 275 drag radial Leaf springs - 100# No wheelie bars Mufflers required on non turbo charged entries Progressives okay 7531 okay Lexan okay Fiberglass okay Alcohol -Ok Auto Trans or Factory clutch type manual (clutch assisted okay) REDUCER $15,000 to the winner My guess is that there will be close to 100 racers running in this class alone. In the Feb race they took the first 32 qualified for the original. purse. The promotor then took the next 30-40 cars and put in $5000 for the "B-Main" so everyone that made the tow could race. There were almost 500 cars at the race I participated in Feb. The one in Oct should be even bigger. NHRA is trying to tap into this market but doesn't have a clue how to do it. They had to go in the back door by using ORSCA to run the races for them. The only carrot NHRA has to offer is the chance you will be on TV. NHRA is trying to package it like a Pinks race for TV. From racers I've talked with it is all about the show and not the racing. I guess one good thing the show has going for it is that Paul Page isn't doing the announcing. Today at Indy it looks like they have around 30 cars for the four true classes and around a hundred in the seven Billy Meyers type classes (index for you young types). |
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Lots of folks are leaning toward this type of racing because it is a 2 day weekend only event. In these economic times it is very hard to take 4 or 5 days off for a National event and the divisional races aren't much shorter.
We have converted an old Super Stocker to run in Hot Street and I built a LS1 powered Vega to run a 8.5" true street tire class. Both are heads up classes and a lot of fun. These races are more akin to the old days at Orange County International Raceway. You are going to see some of the most unique cars on the planet, with all the power adders, tubing, intercoolers, scoops, wings and stuff. These guys are serious racers that you won't see at an NHRA race. Tom Compton and his cronies see the number of Racers at these events and think they are missing our on what is rightfully theirs, drag racers. They have gotten to big for their britches over the last decade and forgotten about the "Grass Roots" racers. Add to the mix the restrictive rules structure and you have made a perfect venue for other Associations to spring up, PSCA, NMRA... There is no heads up racing with doorslammers in the NHRA and folks don't like that. I know you can say Class Eliminations are heads up but how many classes have multiple rounds for a win? One or two rounds a couple times a year? Stock and Super Stock cars are the best thing on the planet but not everyone is willing to build one due to the cost, rules and limited venues to run them. For the same money you can build a 7 second heads up car, and no Graham Light at the races!
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One Question?
The index classes 11.0, 12.0, and 13.0. Are they shoepolish classes or is it heads up?
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There were several stockers in attendance and we did not even have to check their carb sizes. Travis (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.) |
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Give us your assestment of how the race went. I've been to few of these type of races and I don't see any agenda other than racers getting together with basic rules having fun. |
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Let's add to that the delay boxes as well. Get rid of these two things and drivers will have to go back to driving their cars. Robert Swartz
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Maybe we need some clarification of terms here. If you have a heads up 13.0 class, then you could just run in it with an 11.0 car or a 9.90 car for that matter. Or, is it zero breakout, even start , like the .90 classes? If that's the case, what about throttle stops from the 60' to the 1000' trap, 565 R-M motors, trans brakes and so on , or is the winning mph limited, like it should be? In that case, what are we saying here? The fans can understand breakouts, but not handicap head starts? I don't suppose you can deep stage in the NHRA 13.0 class ? hahaha
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Of course some of them use adjustable release trans buttons which all you are well informed about. |
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As an example, the same applies to all the heads up index classes. If you are in the 13 second class, you race only other cars in the 13 second class. There is no eliminator against other classes. First to the finish line without going quicker than 13 second is the winner because a breakout is in effect. If both cars go quicker than 13 seconds, the least under is the winner. Deep staging is allowed. 5/10ths Pro tree in 11,12,and 13 second. 4/10th in the others.
I teched at the Indy Unleashed. The rules are on NHRA.com. in the Unleashed section. The series is still new but is similar to other heads up groups that have been around for awhile. There were several Stockers running the 11 and 12 second classes. Lots of S/G and S/ST cars were in the 9.00, 9.50, and 10.00 second index classes. Pretty much anything goes in the index classes. They mainly have to meet NHRA safety rules for the ET they are running. Pro Mod, Outlaw 10.5, Limited Street, and EZ Street do have class rules that are explained on NHRA.com. For those who have never seen these faster heads up classes, they are impressive. Lots of nitrous, turbochargers and superchargers. Although the crowd was not huge, they did seem to enjoy the race. So for all you people that for years have pushed for a heads up agenda, looks like you now get your wish as there is no handicapped shoe polish racing here. Travis (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.) |
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I ran no throttle stop, delay box out of car, rpm switch for shifter disabled. I launched .400 pro tree, had two .001 lights, and shifted by hand at a pre-tested spot on the track. Run slower - shift earlier. Run quicker - shift later. But it throttle stops aren't allowed, nitrous timers shouldn't be either. They accomplish the same thing - ultra-tuneable computer--controlled e.t.'s. |
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