Heads up runs in Stock & Super Stock - Page 2

Ed Wright · 03-08-2016, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Only because NHRA has put too many classes into the guide. Giving the shoe polish regime a place to hide!

Truth!!

B/S 428 · 03-08-2016, 07:05 PM

They have also combined stick and automatic hp ratings for many slow car combo's so if the automatic get hits with hp, the stick combo gets it too.

Dick Butler · 03-08-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes

Why would NHRA do that. Stock is healthy the way it is.

Healthy being described as having lots of cars and combinations?
I believe the discussion was the limited number of heads up runs. The alternative might be fewer classes with more cars per class. Even AHFS might work faster using heads up runs as helpful on soft combinations. Maybe not everyone is pleased with it being a bracket race for expensive class cars.

Dick Butler · 03-08-2016, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by B/S 428

They have also combined stick and automatic hp ratings for many slow car combo's so if the automatic get hits with hp, the stick combo gets it too.

This would not be appropriate in heavy small motor automatic cars. The separate factoring would seem more reasonable in these cases. Now that a 3 speed can be substituted for a PG it would be closer.

HR9121 · 03-08-2016, 08:17 PM

No, the discussion or question was how many heads up runs were there in 2015. As usual it quickly esculated to everyone's opinion on what's wrong with stk/ss.

MR DERBY CITY · 03-08-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes

Proof that Stock and Super Stock are not really performance eliminators any more. I have said for several years that they are simply expensive bracket races and I have no problem with that.

Unfortunately, Tony is correct. The stock eliminator that I so loved in 1980 has morphed into.....Bracket 2 Non Delay.....and it's a Damn shame.

Ed Wright · 03-08-2016, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

Unfortunately, Tony is correct. The stock eliminator that I so loved in 1980 has morphed into.....Bracket 2 Non Delay.....and it's a Damn shame.

I liked it better in the '60s when we ran off records. The faster cars had an advantage, which I personally believe they should. Work your tail off to be faster should be worth something. ET brackets came along, and the slow guys went there. Car counts dropped dramatically. They pushed the easy button. Not everybody could run their class records. I won Stock at the one & only race at Corpus Christie (sp?) Texas, running a tenth off the record. I was the fast car there that afternoon.

When I started trying to do this again a few years ago, some of those guys are back.

It is way too much like a bracket race now.

Eric Bell · 03-08-2016, 09:24 PM

Make it a performance based class like it started out being. Not sure what the answer is...entice us to run our cars hard.
$$$$ for #1 qualifier.
$$$$ for setting a record and/or points.
Put sticks and autos together.
Put the new cars back into the regular classes. Have to factor them right though.
If you hit the trigger 3 times in a period it's a hit (certain %) even if your average is below .85 under. If you hit it 4 times the % goes up and so on and so on.
Take .5 off the indexes
I love the idea of no AHFS in qualifying but not sure that would ever happen.

I can't wait to put a Hemi in mine.....I can run it hard but only go .80 under.......well lets hope.

Bob Mulry · 03-08-2016, 10:18 PM

How can you have heads-up runs at a National Event (LV1) when NHRA stupidly sets a quota at 70 cars in Stock and this a race that has class run offs.

As I stated before this averages out to 1/2 car per class and people seem surprised by the lack of heads-up runs.....................

Bob

PS:

And I never ducked a heads-up race....

I got my *** kicked and made the car faster...

Remember when the 1st round of Stock or Super Stock had a bunch of cars that couldn't run the index...

So much for performance..

It's NHRA's plan not mine to eliminate Heads-Up runs...

PPS:
Thanks for the asterisks I got carried away

Dan Fahey · 03-08-2016, 11:09 PM

I agree too many classes...
My suggestion.
Standardize on the A-Z Stock or SS class weight breaks/
Put GT, Pure Stock, Truck, Crate...Under one of the S or SS Indexes.
Still have to fit their respective rules!
Going to be a few adjustments..but it will get sorted out.
My F/PS would fit close to the Q/SA Class.

Dan

03-08-2016, 07:05 PM	#12
B/S 428 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 86 Likes: 18 Liked 150 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Heads up runs in Stock & Super Stock They have also combined stick and automatic hp ratings for many slow car combo's so if the automatic get hits with hp, the stick combo gets it too.

03-08-2016, 08:17 PM	#15
HR9121 Live Reporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 3,398 Likes: 122 Liked 3,087 Times in 677 Posts	Re: Heads up runs in Stock & Super Stock No, the discussion or question was how many heads up runs were there in 2015. As usual it quickly esculated to everyone's opinion on what's wrong with stk/ss. __________________ James Williamson W200 J/SA

03-08-2016, 09:24 PM	#18
Eric Bell Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 48 Likes: 52 Liked 113 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Heads up runs in Stock & Super Stock Make it a performance based class like it started out being. Not sure what the answer is...entice us to run our cars hard. $$$$ for #1 qualifier. $$$$ for setting a record and/or points. Put sticks and autos together. Put the new cars back into the regular classes. Have to factor them right though. If you hit the trigger 3 times in a period it's a hit (certain %) even if your average is below .85 under. If you hit it 4 times the % goes up and so on and so on. Take .5 off the indexes I love the idea of no AHFS in qualifying but not sure that would ever happen. I can't wait to put a Hemi in mine.....I can run it hard but only go .80 under.......well lets hope.

03-08-2016, 10:18 PM	#19
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,017 Likes: 57 Liked 321 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Heads up runs in Stock & Super Stock How can you have heads-up runs at a National Event (LV1) when NHRA stupidly sets a quota at 70 cars in Stock and this a race that has class run offs. As I stated before this averages out to 1/2 car per class and people seem surprised by the lack of heads-up runs..................... Bob PS: And I never ducked a heads-up race.... I got my *** kicked and made the car faster... Remember when the 1st round of Stock or Super Stock had a bunch of cars that couldn't run the index... So much for performance.. It's NHRA's plan not mine to eliminate Heads-Up runs... PPS: Thanks for the asterisks I got carried away __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports Last edited by Bob Mulry; 03-08-2016 at 10:21 PM. Reason: OPPS

03-08-2016, 11:09 PM	#20
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,116 Likes: 1,078 Liked 181 Times in 111 Posts	Re: Heads up runs in Stock & Super Stock I agree too many classes... My suggestion. Standardize on the A-Z Stock or SS class weight breaks/ Put GT, Pure Stock, Truck, Crate...Under one of the S or SS Indexes. Still have to fit their respective rules! Going to be a few adjustments..but it will get sorted out. My F/PS would fit close to the Q/SA Class. Dan