Toyota Supra in Stock Eliminator (Poll) - Page 2

JP1738 · 06-17-2025, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RKelliher

your poll says net good, net bad instead of not good, not bad

It's not a typo, I don't think you understand the phrase.

"Net" is another word for sum. In this instance, a Net Positive or Net good means that the sum of all of the parts or implications of this subject matter adds up to be a good thing. Maybe you don't like that it has a Ford rear-end, but that is outweighed by adding a new manufacturer to the guide and the potentiality of including new, younger racers to STK.

So:
net good=you are for it
net bad=you are against it

GUMP · 06-17-2025, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP1738

It's not a typo, I don't think you understand the phrase.

"Net" is another word for sum. In this instance, a Net Positive or Net good means that the sum of all of the parts or implications of this subject matter adds up to be a good thing. Maybe you don't like that it has a Ford rear-end, but that is outweighed by adding a new manufacturer to the guide and the potentiality of including new, younger racers to STK.

So:
net good=you are for it
net bad=you are against it

What do I do if I "LOSE" the poll?

L.Fite · 06-17-2025, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

What do I do if I "LOSE" the poll?

Press on, I guess...

BRETV · 06-17-2025, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

What do I do if I "LOSE" the poll?

Win class at Indy and make for damn sure it passes teardown. LOL

Bret Velde
2003 I/SA
Coming soon

L.Fite · 06-17-2025, 05:04 PM

So...
My beef isn't adding cars to the class...
I actually think it is a good thing...
But...
There are a lot of show room cars/combos not in the guide...

My personal opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion, not advocating any changes other than to approach things evenly and fairly...
I've always thought the COPOs, Drag Packs, etc. all with the blown, turbo charged, non corporate rear end, transmission, should have been placed in Super Stock...
I equate these with the Factory Stock stuff from back in the day I guess...

It wouldn't have been hard to put 12 bolt in the COPO, 9" in FOMOCO, Dana in Chrysler, etc. from the beginning...

Alas...
That ship sailed a long time ago...

It amazes me that the manufacturers and NHRA went through the trouble of building and getting these cars in the guide while ignoring the actual show room cars...
And yet GUMP has had to do all the leg work to get this car accepted...
Was there a concerted effort by the manufacturers to get these other paper cars done?
Or was there a group of racers that got together and did the leg work to get these cars built?

The 2008 and up rear rule was already there, and GUMP was able to justify the transmission, (circuitous as the logic may be)...
Didn't Ford and GM build an 8 or 10 speed trans for the Camaro and Mustang? (Did that project make it to production?)
How far a stretch is, any trans in any car?
So I don't see what all the heartburn is about...

As I said MY opinion is I think it is a better fit in Super Stock, just due to some of the rules I don't agree with, but there are other cars out there that are built using the same rules running in Stock...

GUMP spent a lot of time and resources to get this done...
It's a good looking car...
I applaud him for his efforts...
Wish him luck and hope to see it in person at the races.

As for me, I'm building an OLD car and will use whatever enhancements currently allowed, and any that pop up in the future...

GUMP · 06-17-2025, 05:28 PM

My understanding is that the FS cars came about when some "car guys" at the Big Three got together to do something cool. I'm amazed that they were able to convince the management to sign off on the programs.

A neat piece of trivia is that MPR did the concept car for all three. Mike is a friend of mine, so I made sure that he has a little DNA in the Supra too.

As far as the production cars go, there aren't many people left at the OEMs that understand what we do. The only way that I have found to get new combinations in the guide is to be polite and patient. The guys that have helped me didn't have to. They are just good people.

SSDiv6 · 06-17-2025, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

What do I do if I "LOSE" the poll?

Darren...remember our chat with Robin in Facebook?

RKelliher · 06-17-2025, 07:47 PM

first Dawson ,were you doing a poll or a english lesson? Also, the rule on rear ends 2008 an later can use a 9" ford style rearend but does state no aluminum center unless from factory installed. and because bmw had a gm trans.does not apply to a supra, that is a strectch. It is a toyota not a bmw even with bmw engine.

J.R. Haddad · 06-17-2025, 09:56 PM

So the current hang up appears to be the transmission. Lets examine that.
There seems to be a want for the stock type of transmission case. So we
need a genuine Toyota Trans case. It can be done, no problem. We will
examine all the cases Toyota has produced for the last 20 years or so,
and settle on a few that appear to have approximately the same capacity
dimensions as a Metric 200, or a Turbo 350. The trans can then be sent
to any number of places, Pro Trans, Joel's, Coan, ATI, A-1, to have all of
todays aluminum drums, lightened gears, hardened shafts, etc. fitted to
the Toyota case. End result, a few thousand diehard, possibly anal, Stock
Racers( I include myself in that group) get to say, We showed him, he has
to run that Toyota trans. All we have done is put up one more barrier for
someone with the insight, foresight and intestinal fortitude to create this excellent idea, and instead of a transmission costing 10,000.00, it will be 20,000.00, but we will feel better. We are running our manufacturers cases, but we've got Chrysler, Ford, and Subaru derivative parts in them. But its in a stock appearing case. Who really cares? The stick cars run trans from 6 or 7 manufacturers, they don't resemble Muncies, Borg-Warners, Top-Loaders, or Chrysler crash boxes. The stick guys don't care, why do we?

J.R.

mike britt · 06-17-2025, 11:05 PM

I'm a long time Toyota guy so the reason I laugh at it is because it is not a Toyota. I think it would have been cool to get a v-8 Toyota or Lexus, and there are a lot of them, in the guide. A lot of people can relate to them and there's a lot of them out there more affordable than a supra.

View Poll Results: Yay or Nay
This is a net good	84	44.92%
This is a net bad	50	26.74%
Don't care, I'm going to stay in my lane	53	28.34%
Voters: 187. You may not vote on this poll

06-17-2025, 05:04 PM	#15
L.Fite Senior Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 511 Likes: 540 Liked 494 Times in 241 Posts	Re: Toyota Supra in Stock Eliminator (Poll) So... My beef isn't adding cars to the class... I actually think it is a good thing... But... There are a lot of show room cars/combos not in the guide... My personal opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion, not advocating any changes other than to approach things evenly and fairly... I've always thought the COPOs, Drag Packs, etc. all with the blown, turbo charged, non corporate rear end, transmission, should have been placed in Super Stock... I equate these with the Factory Stock stuff from back in the day I guess... It wouldn't have been hard to put 12 bolt in the COPO, 9" in FOMOCO, Dana in Chrysler, etc. from the beginning... Alas... That ship sailed a long time ago... It amazes me that the manufacturers and NHRA went through the trouble of building and getting these cars in the guide while ignoring the actual show room cars... And yet GUMP has had to do all the leg work to get this car accepted... Was there a concerted effort by the manufacturers to get these other paper cars done? Or was there a group of racers that got together and did the leg work to get these cars built? The 2008 and up rear rule was already there, and GUMP was able to justify the transmission, (circuitous as the logic may be)... Didn't Ford and GM build an 8 or 10 speed trans for the Camaro and Mustang? (Did that project make it to production?) How far a stretch is, any trans in any car? So I don't see what all the heartburn is about... As I said MY opinion is I think it is a better fit in Super Stock, just due to some of the rules I don't agree with, but there are other cars out there that are built using the same rules running in Stock... GUMP spent a lot of time and resources to get this done... It's a good looking car... I applaud him for his efforts... Wish him luck and hope to see it in person at the races. As for me, I'm building an OLD car and will use whatever enhancements currently allowed, and any that pop up in the future...

06-17-2025, 05:28 PM	#16
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,817 Likes: 2,153 Liked 2,336 Times in 549 Posts	Re: Toyota Supra in Stock Eliminator (Poll) My understanding is that the FS cars came about when some "car guys" at the Big Three got together to do something cool. I'm amazed that they were able to convince the management to sign off on the programs. A neat piece of trivia is that MPR did the concept car for all three. Mike is a friend of mine, so I made sure that he has a little DNA in the Supra too. As far as the production cars go, there aren't many people left at the OEMs that understand what we do. The only way that I have found to get new combinations in the guide is to be polite and patient. The guys that have helped me didn't have to. They are just good people. __________________ Daren Poole-Adams NHRA Stock/SS 2007

06-17-2025, 07:47 PM	#18
RKelliher Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 164 Likes: 43 Liked 181 Times in 60 Posts	Re: Toyota Supra in Stock Eliminator (Poll) first Dawson ,were you doing a poll or a english lesson? Also, the rule on rear ends 2008 an later can use a 9" ford style rearend but does state no aluminum center unless from factory installed. and because bmw had a gm trans.does not apply to a supra, that is a strectch. It is a toyota not a bmw even with bmw engine.

06-17-2025, 09:56 PM	#19
J.R. Haddad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 784 Likes: 931 Liked 1,463 Times in 307 Posts	Re: Toyota Supra in Stock Eliminator (Poll) So the current hang up appears to be the transmission. Lets examine that. There seems to be a want for the stock type of transmission case. So we need a genuine Toyota Trans case. It can be done, no problem. We will examine all the cases Toyota has produced for the last 20 years or so, and settle on a few that appear to have approximately the same capacity dimensions as a Metric 200, or a Turbo 350. The trans can then be sent to any number of places, Pro Trans, Joel's, Coan, ATI, A-1, to have all of todays aluminum drums, lightened gears, hardened shafts, etc. fitted to the Toyota case. End result, a few thousand diehard, possibly anal, Stock Racers( I include myself in that group) get to say, We showed him, he has to run that Toyota trans. All we have done is put up one more barrier for someone with the insight, foresight and intestinal fortitude to create this excellent idea, and instead of a transmission costing 10,000.00, it will be 20,000.00, but we will feel better. We are running our manufacturers cases, but we've got Chrysler, Ford, and Subaru derivative parts in them. But its in a stock appearing case. Who really cares? The stick cars run trans from 6 or 7 manufacturers, they don't resemble Muncies, Borg-Warners, Top-Loaders, or Chrysler crash boxes. The stick guys don't care, why do we? J.R. Last edited by J.R. Haddad; 06-17-2025 at 09:59 PM. Reason: grammer

06-17-2025, 11:05 PM	#20
mike britt Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Italy, Texas Posts: 176 Likes: 365 Liked 66 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Toyota Supra in Stock Eliminator (Poll) I'm a long time Toyota guy so the reason I laugh at it is because it is not a Toyota. I think it would have been cool to get a v-8 Toyota or Lexus, and there are a lot of them, in the guide. A lot of people can relate to them and there's a lot of them out there more affordable than a supra.