Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' - Page 4

Rich Biebel · 08-03-2011, 06:35 PM

I don't actually have any memory of who won but I can tell you my memory of Ray as a driver is that he would not have been intimidated in any way by the Chrysler crap that they were up to according to some of what I read here...

Ray was a very good driver and could get in any car and make as good a run as any driver who previously ran the car. He was as COOL as the come.......No doubt about it. If he stayed in the sport he would have done very well IMHO..Ralph also thought Ray was the best driver and thats why he was behind the wheel!

This story seems to really "smack" of how ChryslerCorp would stoop to any means to portray their cars as being dominant.....

Get in your time machine and fast forward from 1970 to 2010-2011

Looks to me like it's now "legal cheating" out there in todays racing.....

Paul Ceasrine · 08-03-2011, 07:07 PM

Rich,,,,,,

I'm not saying Ray Allen would have been intimidated,,,,,,,,,

But maybe Chrysler was just trying any means to try to get an edge,,,,,,

One thing that I can't figure out,,,,,
if Ray Allen and Jack Werst were running against each other in
the SS/EA class final,,,,,,,,,,,,
you would think Jack Werst would purposely foul,,,,,,,or run a slow E.T.
or just not show up, claiming a damaged car for the Class Final.

pc

Paul Ceasrine · 08-03-2011, 07:41 PM

Jack Werst at Atco,,,,,,,,,,,sometime in 1970,,,,,,,,before the Indy Nationals.
A 10.49 run,,,,,,,,,,,,,with the stroked Hemi '512 cubes',,,,,,,,?????

Paul Ceasrine · 08-04-2011, 10:39 AM

Chryslers claim, that the 1970 Chevelle Malibu SS454 convertible
did not exist,,,,,,,as a regular production order car........

Or, that 50 were not built,,,,,,,,,

First release date of the 1970 Chevelle Malibu SS454 (LS-6)
December 1969,,,,,,,,but as a 'coupe only'.

Approximately, 3840 coupes were built, as part of 'normal production'.

The hardtop coupe, would qualify for the NHRA Super Stock
SS/D and SS/DA Class, or A/S and A/SA (Stock Class).

Approximately, 95 convertibles with the T-H automatic were built.
The convertible automatics would qualify for NHRA Super Stock
SS/EA Class, or B/SA (Stock Class).

Super Stock and Drag Racing Illustrated printed an article of its
first testing of the car,,,,in FEBRUARY 1970,,,,,,Magazine article was
released for MAY 1970.

Hemi Moose · 08-04-2011, 01:55 PM

I'm not a GM guy but I heard that there were 17 units built (from old sources) of the1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS6 convertibles total built...and I don't know when the first production of them were first built, but I am curious if they were legal according to NHRA rules, (50 units)...ooooh, it looks like someones here is stirring the pot a little bit, lol.

Greg Hill · 08-04-2011, 04:36 PM

The fact is that anyone in the country could walk in any chevy dealer in the country and order a 1970 LS 6 convertible. As long as you could pay for it.

Lee Valentine · 08-04-2011, 04:53 PM

the rule was 50 units or showroom available to the general public.

danny waters sr · 08-04-2011, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

The fact is that anyone in the country could walk in any chevy dealer in the country and order a 1970 LS 6 convertible. As long as you could pay for it.

What was the price back then $3-4 grand?
Lot of money back then ....(at least for me) making $30 bucks a week @ Rich's drive - in...

Paul Ceasrine · 08-04-2011, 06:58 PM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dodgede...n/photostream/

John Tedder's 1969 GTX Hemi convertible was the top SS/EA
car in early 1970,,,,,,,

John won the SS/EA class at the;
70' Winternationals
70' Gatornationals
70' Springnationals

John was also the Super Stock Eliminator Runner-Up at the 70' Gatornationals.

There is a link above to view the 69' GTX convertible.
Car painted blue front with a white back.
The front half of the convertible top was painted black, and the back half white.

pc

X-TECH MAN · 08-04-2011, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dodgede...n/photostream/

John Tedder's 1969 GTX Hemi convertible was the top SS/EA
car in early 1970,,,,,,,

John won the SS/EA class at the;
70' Winternationals
70' Gatornationals
70' Springnationals

John was also the Super Stock Eliminator Runner-Up at the 70' Gatornationals.

There is a link above to view the 69' GTX convertible.
Car painted blue front with a white back.
The front half of the convertible top was painted black, and the back half white.

pc

Vernon Riley out of Baltimore, Md. ran a red and white SS/E stick shift version back in 1969.

08-03-2011, 06:35 PM	#31
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,306 Likes: 25 Liked 537 Times in 211 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' I don't actually have any memory of who won but I can tell you my memory of Ray as a driver is that he would not have been intimidated in any way by the Chrysler crap that they were up to according to some of what I read here... Ray was a very good driver and could get in any car and make as good a run as any driver who previously ran the car. He was as COOL as the come.......No doubt about it. If he stayed in the sport he would have done very well IMHO..Ralph also thought Ray was the best driver and thats why he was behind the wheel! This story seems to really "smack" of how ChryslerCorp would stoop to any means to portray their cars as being dominant..... Get in your time machine and fast forward from 1970 to 2010-2011 Looks to me like it's now "legal cheating" out there in todays racing..... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R Last edited by Rich Biebel; 08-03-2011 at 06:41 PM.

08-03-2011, 07:07 PM	#32
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Rich,,,,,, I'm not saying Ray Allen would have been intimidated,,,,,,,,, But maybe Chrysler was just trying any means to try to get an edge,,,,,, One thing that I can't figure out,,,,, if Ray Allen and Jack Werst were running against each other in the SS/EA class final,,,,,,,,,,,, you would think Jack Werst would purposely foul,,,,,,,or run a slow E.T. or just not show up, claiming a damaged car for the Class Final. pc

08-03-2011, 07:41 PM	#33
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Jack Werst at Atco,,,,,,,,,,,sometime in 1970,,,,,,,,before the Indy Nationals. A 10.49 run,,,,,,,,,,,,,with the stroked Hemi '512 cubes',,,,,,,,????? Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 08-03-2011 at 07:44 PM.

08-04-2011, 10:39 AM	#34
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' Chryslers claim, that the 1970 Chevelle Malibu SS454 convertible did not exist,,,,,,,as a regular production order car........ Or, that 50 were not built,,,,,,,,, First release date of the 1970 Chevelle Malibu SS454 (LS-6) December 1969,,,,,,,,but as a 'coupe only'. Approximately, 3840 coupes were built, as part of 'normal production'. The hardtop coupe, would qualify for the NHRA Super Stock SS/D and SS/DA Class, or A/S and A/SA (Stock Class). Approximately, 95 convertibles with the T-H automatic were built. The convertible automatics would qualify for NHRA Super Stock SS/EA Class, or B/SA (Stock Class). Super Stock and Drag Racing Illustrated printed an article of its first testing of the car,,,,in FEBRUARY 1970,,,,,,Magazine article was released for MAY 1970. Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 08-04-2011 at 11:24 AM.

08-04-2011, 01:55 PM	#35
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' I'm not a GM guy but I heard that there were 17 units built (from old sources) of the1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS6 convertibles total built...and I don't know when the first production of them were first built, but I am curious if they were legal according to NHRA rules, (50 units)...ooooh, it looks like someones here is stirring the pot a little bit, lol.

08-04-2011, 04:36 PM	#36
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 67 Liked 270 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' The fact is that anyone in the country could walk in any chevy dealer in the country and order a 1970 LS 6 convertible. As long as you could pay for it. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

08-04-2011, 04:53 PM	#37
Lee Valentine Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brookfield, CT Posts: 708 Likes: 13 Liked 322 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' the rule was 50 units or showroom available to the general public. __________________ Lee Valentine 1661 STK

08-04-2011, 06:58 PM	#39
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown' http://www.flickr.com/photos/dodgede...n/photostream/ John Tedder's 1969 GTX Hemi convertible was the top SS/EA car in early 1970,,,,,,, John won the SS/EA class at the; 70' Winternationals 70' Gatornationals 70' Springnationals John was also the Super Stock Eliminator Runner-Up at the 70' Gatornationals. There is a link above to view the 69' GTX convertible. Car painted blue front with a white back. The front half of the convertible top was painted black, and the back half white. pc Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 08-04-2011 at 07:05 PM.