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[Todd Hoven]

Care to elaborate?

Originally Posted by gumple

Mr. Nees,
Many of us remember the successful blitz that you leveled against Jeff Lee's bogus combination. I applaud your efforts in that situation but there is another more egregious combination right in your neighborhood. That being the Carp/Hoven Hemi. This car is also worthy of your corrective attention.

[gumple]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Correction: Not a bogus combination and educate yourself before making statements without any research.

The AMC's were allowed to run a replacement, over the counter, intake and carburetor and had been approved by IHRA and later NHRA. The AMC intake and Holley carburetor were part of the AMC factory parts catalog with its own section. At the time, the basis for the allowance was the same premise as the 1971 Boss 351 using a Holley carburetor in lieu of the Motorcraft carburetor. With the Boss 351, due to the overlap of the solid lifter camshaft, the dealer's service departments were having issues addressing driveability and idle issues with the Motorcraft carburetor. Therefore, the factory released a service bulletin with instructions to replace them with a new Holley carburetor that Ford released to address the issue.

The AMC deal is similar to what took place as to the use of the Mopar Edelbrock LD intake manifold on SBM's that also had a factory part number that was also rescinded.

Instead of being a keyboard warrior and throwing Billy into the fray, since you appear to have a lot of knowledge, why don't you take the initiative yourself and address the Carp/Hoven Hemi with NHRA? By the way, Todd Hoven is one of the many, hard working racers out there, easy to talk too, and you may even be interested in addressing the issue directly with him face to face.

Firstly, Mr. Nees invited us to discuss other cars that may be bogus. I threw him into nothing.
Secondly, Mr. Nees freely showed documents that proved the Lee car to be bogus and, indeed, some of the documents that had been submitted by Mr. Lee to NHRA were supposedly less than Kosher.
Thirdly, Todd is a nice guy but that doesn't stop him from driving a car that was never manufactured by Chrysler. Mr. Nees has also expressed his reservations, on this forum, about the Carp/Hoven car.

So in the end I'm only discussing information that has already been presented here.

[gumple]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Care to elaborate?

The combination as raced was never built by Chrysler.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by gumple

Firstly, Mr. Nees invited us to discuss other cars that may be bogus. I threw him into nothing.

Mr. Nees has also expressed his reservations, on this forum, about the Carp/Hoven car.

I didn't "invite" us,you or anyone other than James Perrone who I invited to start a thread. As far as I know, he hasn't started said thread so you haven't been "invited" to discuss anything!

Would you please provide me with a link to my "expressed reservations"?

[Todd Hoven]

Originally Posted by gumple

The combination as raced was never built by Chrysler.

You don’t even know what combination I run lol.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man conversation over.

[gumple]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I didn't "invite" us,you or anyone other than James Perrone who I invited to start a thread. As far as I know, he hasn't started said thread so you haven't been "invited" to discuss anything!

Would you please provide me with a link to my "expressed reservations"?

In your post about Todd going rounds in a "mans" car. Twist away. I will gladly start a thread on my own since it was not an open invitation.

[gumple]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

You don’t even know what combination I run lol.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man conversation over.

No. this conversation is not over. I know more than you would like me to know. You are racing a car and beating other racers with a car that was never built by Chrysler and you owe it to all of us out here to provide verifiable information on your combination. There is no reason the rest of us should lay down for you or anybody else. Prove your car here or we can petition NHRA.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by gumple

Secondly, Mr. Nees freely showed documents that proved the Lee car to be bogus and, indeed, some of the documents that had been submitted by Mr. Lee to NHRA were supposedly less than Kosher.
So in the end I'm only discussing information that has already been presented here.

Like I said earlier, educate yourself before making statements.
The documents Billy provided were the same ones other Chrysler provided IHRA and then provided by Chrysler to NHRA. They were part of AMC's OEM parts catalog Group 19. They were dealer, over the counter, dealer installed parts and AMC has not been the only brand that has done so. However, you can continue with your fetish with the word "Bogus".

http://www.planethoustonamx.com/main/group-19.htm

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by gumple

No. this conversation is not over. I know more than you would like me to know. You are racing a car and beating other racers with a car that was never built by Chrysler and you owe it to all of us out here to provide verifiable information on your combination. There is no reason the rest of us should lay down for you or anybody else. Prove your car here or we can petition NHRA.

I don't believe Todd owes you anything. If you have a beef with Todd's car, take it up with the powers at NHRA.

[Todd Hoven]

I guess I will clarify. Classracer‘s version of CNN is reporting false information.
I run the crossram combination which is the A990 superstock version of the car. Which accepted by NHRA and was absolutely built. He thinks I am running the single four barrel.