Automatic Horsepower Factoring System

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

Automatic Help for Slugs CANNOT and WILL NOT EVER WORK... heard that from me for 4 years now eh ??

the system is flawed in that it cannot evaluate the POTENTIAL of any combination, it SIMPLY deals with data from previous runs which have TWO qualities that it CANNOT factor in... 1. the weather conditions and 2. the fact we can manipulate the data ourselves... END OF STORY.

jack mccarthy

Jack,...yes and you have been wrong for 4 years. You are right about correcting all the runs it is simply retarded they dont do that. Manipulation by man sticks out like a sore thumb on a spread sheet. Random events look way different. This stuff is so simple they teach it all in high school.

[Dick Butler]

Lynn, I respectfully ask why you continually bring up the aftermarket parts ? Cars are getting faster....for many reasons.

[SS Engine Guy]

The sanctioning bodies raised the index due to low car counts or for whatever reason. However, they have not "given" us anything in the way of faster parts. All this has been an attempt to appease some people or a group of people who basically couldn't or wouldn't put in the time and money to be fast legally. Threats of legal action, lack of 1 year vacations, DQ's, etc. is what has added to this problem. I have heard all the safety concerns, the lack of available castings, blocks that won't hold up at .060 over. All this crap is what has led to the 5k stocker heads and 10k ss heads etc. Look at the clarification of the crankshaft rule recently. Look at the crossbreeding of parts, the bearing spacers, any carb # as long as the holes are the right size. And most recently any trans. Who asked for any of those things? Those that couldn't be fast using the rules that were in the joke of a rulebook. Subject to over riding or changing or amending as soon as the "right" person or customers couldn't pass tech.

Do what you will with the indexes. I still will prefer heads up anyday.

Pinks (joke) even has the common sense to look at incremental times when one of their guys runs faster than in previous rounds. Factoring isn't really all that hard at all. You just have to have the desire to factor everyone fairly.

[Bruce Noland]

This isn't a faster guys against the slower guys issue. Lowering the indexes will not have a negative impact on the category. IHRA is way ahead of nhra on this issue. They have lots of different combinations in their Stock category and we don't hear any complaints about their system.

[Ron Ortiz]

BSA, I understand what you're saying, I may only be .3 under now, but a year ago I finally got to .8 under, and was real happy, that is until I ran Bob Shaw in Belle Rose and got to see his time on the scoreboards as I was trailing him with a . 5 under. Hey Boudreau, that ever happen to you with Bobby? I used to think that if I invest more money and applied newer technology that I could be one of the fastest, but in reality, it's just not going to happen, there are other cars in U/SA that are just way too fast. Lets see, there is the Buicks, the Dodges with more CFM, The Captains T/SA, the Monte Carlo's, hi Jonathan, Wong's 2 door, Myers flying under the radar, Remmington's scienced out car, Clayton and The Maestro, anything that Billy Nees might come up with, the Banana cars out of Alabama, Summertons wagon, and good old Bob Shaw pick of the week. I could spend thousands of dollars and still not be able to run with some of these cars. So should I put my nose to the grindstone and prove to these people that I still cannot run with them, or do I just admit that I have chosen the wrong combination. Neither, I race because I enjoy it, I just have to avoid the other U cars. When I chose this combo I researched the Classification Guide and found this combo very lucrative at that time. I did'nt realize that later in time they would allow some of these other combos. The fact of the matter is that indexes have nothing to do with anything other than being the base for a trigger. Get rid of the triggers and inspect the cars that are really flying, it will level out in the long run. I am for this performance based category, I just know where I need to be to be competitive.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA plese send more money so I can go 1.14 under

[bsa633]

And i see what'ya saying too Ron..I think we all race these category's because we enjoy them more than others..even Biondo,Fletcher and such guys that win "all the money"! With that said it seems that you lost the urge of going faster with your combo wich is why most of us are doing this in the first place,to measure ourselves and our work with our "favorite" car,but thats OK too..most of us are gonna be beat up by another combo thats bougus or maybe not factored right anyway,(or we think is not factored as it should),..AND THATS WHY something has to be done...raise the trigger would have the same effect,but that will never happen or if it does it will only be by a thent and will have no effect! We need a bigger "window" right now so we hopefully could see what combos that are holding back more than others,get teched for going fast and maybe maybe things would even out a little bit in the future.
..one more thing.. even if they would have policed things better in the past we would still be alot faster now then we were 15 years ago..so a index cut of .2 - .3 should'nt be a problem for almost anyone,but with todays travelling cost and NHRA having problem filling the fields maybe they will go the other way and make it easier to run the index...whoknows?

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Lynn, I respectfully ask why you continually bring up the aftermarket parts ? Cars are getting faster....for many reasons.

Uh......you are joking right? If we are going to have a performance oriented class of race cars, then some kind of resemblance of parody should exist right? Otherwise why do it?

The after market parts game puts combos on top that the AHFS by its very design keeps them there due to the invalid statistical methods employed.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

The sanctioning bodies raised the index due to low car counts or for whatever reason. However, they have not "given" us anything in the way of faster parts..

You dont really believe this do you? How fast would a Hemi or BBC be with all the OEM castings and stock deck heights? I doubt if any of them could run below 9 seconds. How many examples do you want(not just to pick on my BBM and BBC friends)?

I think if everyone had to run OEM intake runner sizes(the real ones), and all OEM castings, it would a much different story.

[SS Engine Guy]

Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

. However, they have not "given" us anything in the way of faster parts. All this has been an attempt to appease some people or a group of people who basically couldn't or wouldn't put in the time and money to be fast legally.

Lynn, feel free to quote me at any time, however, don't leave out "the rest of the story".

You feel that superceeded parts or freebies are unfair unless given to all. I agree with you 100%!

No I don't think that the sanctioning bodies have "given" us anything. I think that constant whining, politics, and playing favorites have resulted in a mess.

*As for being faster after 15 years. I would think that anyone with the mechancial ability could make his combo faster with 15 years worth of testing and still follow the rulebook to the letter.

*Also, when tech is not allowed to do their job 90% of the time, I don't think that you will ever enforce a rulebook.

[SS Engine Guy]

sorry double post......