Top Draster wheelbase

[masracing]

First of all I am glad to see the mood is a little lighter tonight than in the past few days and just think it all started with the topic "top dragster wheelbase" Brian have we covered that question in enough detail

I can not stress enough that we need to move forward if we want this to be a success. The decision has been made Not by Wayne and not by Scott but by the people who are ultimately responsible for the success of this race LVD. There is never going to be a decision that everyone is going to agree to. If you choose not to race because of this then you are missing out on a big opportuinity. I want to race the national event at epping this year. I am stepping my car up to do so not asking them to change there rules to fit me. I realize that nitrous is not feasible for everyone. However, there are things you can do. How creative can you be. Just look at what went on during Friday nigh qualifying at last years NED national. I am kind of sorry I missed it. There were people pulling radiators out, figuring how much fuel they needed in the tank to get A to B. I know there is know guaruntee that I will qualify for every race. But I can tell you that I am committed to this class. If I dont have enough I will figure out a way to enough for the next race.

Brian just curious what heads are on that 598. I think its going to be faster than you think. That car does not look all that heavy.

I have to ask Old Digger are you for real? If so (and I am doubting it) if you PM me with who you actually are I woul be more than happy to give a phone number and email so I can share more positive information about this deal. It created by racers for racers. Trust me Most if not all of us do not fit into the high dollar category. However, you will find that we are committed to fast bracket racing. Fast is not always all about money. Or call the number that Scott gave earlier I think you would be impressed with what he has to say.

Without starting another debate whats with this whole "slower more consistant cars" That is a Fallacy and I have heard it a few times on here. I know of plenty of six second cars that can run the number pass after pass. I have run down 12 second cars at ATCO. Thats always fun 187mph coming up on 110. I know nothing personal was meant but its been bothering me just had to ask.

B.J. Masiello

[ScottHall]

I'm not going into details, but my car, and other I have tuned with nitrous are MORE consistant than a naturally asperated set up.

I have 8 runs at LVD in October that vary from 5.933 to 5.950 (1000') from 1100 ft to -67 ft in altitude on nitrous.

It only cost more money when you have to UPGRADE your equipment to run quicker. If you plan ahead when you build your engine the first time with a heavier piston (for nitrous, not heavy for weight) and a good nitrous ring package, and good rods (steel rods work fine) you will always have a "if I ever run nitrous" engine that will run 300 to 400 runs before a rebuild just like any other engine.

Obviously everyone doesn't think they will run nitrous, but it never hurts to look ahead. There are SO MANY options with small shots of nitrous that will pick up 2 tenths and not do any harm to anything.

If someone wanted to run quicker, there are ways of doing it with many budgets. I am as pressed for money as anyone else is, but I research, and know what is going on outside my northeast racing world. There is alot out there for options, and if you've never done it, you should ask.

My side business is consulting for race teams and doing engine and nitrous set ups. I can assure anyone that nitrous isn't what it was ten years ago, and is very easy to work with, and very consistant. All nitrous does if tuned right is makes the engine think its bigger than it really is.

Scott Hall
scotth@moroso.com
scott@tedblackmotorsports.com

[krugracing12]

Brian,
Bad news Buddy, we did not hit the Mega-millions. See Wayne about the big tailwind, He's in charge of the weather.

[masracing]

Scott good information

I have had to explain the thing about it making the engine think its bigger to a few people who have told me I am out of my mind to run it.
The reality is that its not the black art that it used to be. I have talked to techs from just about every nitrous company out there and I have pages of notes of does and donts. Most of which are consistant from one system to another. My point being I agree on the research.

I absolutely see how nitrous could be more consistant. In a sense its a guarunteed volume of atmosphere in the engine. When the air gets worse the nozzles dont know the difference.They continue to spray the same amount of oxygen and fuel. You are less dependent on natural atmospheric pressure to fill each cylinder. Therefore a decrease in barometer is going to have less of an impact on engine power. This is why I wonder sometimes even thought the comp eliminator guys have proven that big bore short stroke makes more horsepower if for a true bracket motor longer stroke motors like 598s might be more consistant. Its the opposite of a jr. dragster motor that is very dependent on barometer because of the one cylinder flat head design with a large combustion chamber. Those motors change big numbers for a small air change.

Just my thoughts take them for what there worth (probably about $.02)

B.J. Masiello

[Michael Galofaro]

You are correct BJ. I know many people who put hundreds of runs on motors with spray - now be realistic that's not spraying it with 2 systems - but if you are going to spray your 900-1000 hp bracket motor with a 200 shot it will still live forever. Unless you are a real jackass with it .

Nitrous has become a very common thing in bracket racing now - not the way we are speaking of - but there are many people who have it on their cars every run for a top end over ride - spin - shake or ?.

Either way it will be fun to see who comes to the first race - off the top of my head I see at least 8-10 cars in the 6's. If some of the guys that run the Epping series come down that could be more. It will be a nice series - something close to home !!

I heard a rumor though - no blowers allowed - LMAO .

[pentastarrail]

No Blowers OOHHH NOOO..

"Hello Sonny, Can I pay you a dollar a year for the next 80,000 years for that 930 cubic inch hemi?"
Sonny....hello......hello.....Sonny..are you there......hello...???

Actually I don't know olddigger but "I'll be your huckleberry".

Wayne IS fixing the weather, he's in Florida wanting to see how he likes 80 degrees for racing.

Scott, dead on with the spray. We'll be trying it out on the wifes car to see how it likes it. We'll be doing things a little different by spraying with alky. Hopefully all will be fine.

Kruggy, you do share right???

[Brian Hansbury]

no blowers are you talking on the car or no blowers period...

b.j. my heads are dart pro 1 345 i had a guy that was willing to rade me for 360's but my engine guy had me hold off til he flowed mine and they are still flowing beyond .900 so he told me keep them .....i am just nervous its not gonna be quick enough ....i know alot of people that thought they would go quicker and where dissapointed ......if i had a bigger wallet i would just buy a scmidt motor and be done .....but instead this old school bus motor is gonna have to doo.....

[pentastarrail]

Brian,
I'm sure you'll be fine. It's the total combo not just one thing. You've got a boat load of torque and depending on those heads it sounds like you'll be flying.
As you know the wifes car is only 500 cubes but between the heads, converter, and tire combo it works pretty well.
And don't forget, you can always put a 200 shot on it for about $350.

P.S. He better not be talking about the entertainment.

[Brian Hansbury]

blowers for entertainment whatever could you be talking about....lol.......

[masracing]

Originally Posted by Brian Hansbury

no blowers are you talking on the car or no blowers period...

b.j. my heads are dart pro 1 345 i had a guy that was willing to rade me for 360's but my engine guy had me hold off til he flowed mine and they are still flowing beyond .900 so he told me keep them .....i am just nervous its not gonna be quick enough ....i know alot of people that thought they would go quicker and where dissapointed ......if i had a bigger wallet i would just buy a scmidt motor and be done .....but instead this old school bus motor is gonna have to doo.....

Brian

Frank is correct in that there are a lot of variables that come into play. It makes good sense for your engine guy to flow those heads. I am not all that familiar with conventional 24 degree big block heads. My point in asking that was that you do have a decent set of head on that motor so just being a 598 with ok heads it shoul make decent torque. Bigger runner volumes does not always mean more power. There are so many things that come into play. However if you look on Darts web site it appears there are minimal differences between the 345 as they sell it and the 360 as they sell it at least to me I could be missing something though. If your engine builder is telling you to keep them he must feel they will work better with your combination. Although it seems that .900 lift is an awful lot for a bracket motor. at least to me


Other things to consider that will make huge differences are

What gear are you running. depends on the weight of the car and at what rpm you hope to go throgh the traps

Converter stall speed will also be important. Do you allready have a convereter. If not it would be worth calling reputable company and giving them your engine and car specs. Having a converter built for your combination can be worth several tenths. This I do know from experience. I dont know if you have a company you usually use but If you allready have a converter I know trans specialties will cut it open and set it up to your combination even if its not there convereter for a pretty reasonable price.

Good luck although you probably won't need it. Sounds like a 7.3 or maybe faster combo to me

B.J. Masiello