New Eliminator proposition

[Tony Corley]

You will spend more keeping a Stocker competitive (for class races) than you will one of these. Coyote Stock is in it's 4th or 5th year, and as competitive as ever. That is why they went ahead with the LS Class. A friend of mine just put together a new car for Coyote Stock and was within a 10th of the number 1 qualifier at the first race of the year, and there is nothing trick or high dollar on the car. The sealed engine and computer takes the "rich guy" factor out of heads up racing. There is only so much you can spend on bolt on suspension and drivetrain before it becomes a driver and chassis tuners race, instead of engine builder/tuners race.
It's not inventing the wheel, it's already being done. I just think it would be even better on a national platform like one of the 'HRA's

[rognelson777]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Make it really easy. Make all the cars weigh 3200# plus 170# for the driver. I'd skip the "two types of cars" to keep it simple. Everyone gets one (4150 series) carburetor and 14"x32" tires. Five single carburetor classes, five indexes. Easier to factor and police.

A: 470 cubic inches maximum (440 minimum), canted valves, with a 1050 carburetor.

B: 420 cubic inches maximum (390 minimum), inline valve true wedge, with an 950 carburetor.

C: 360 cubic inches maximum (350 minimum), inline valve true wedge, with a 850 carburetor.

D: 305 cubic inches maximum (285 minimum), inline valve true wedge, with a 750 carburetor.

E: 300 cubic inch V6 (minimum 270), inline true wedge, 750 carburetor.

Cast iron OE supplied block, any OE supplied cylinder head, cast intake, steel connecting rods.

NHRA approved carburetors.

Clutchless transmission, maximum 5 forward speeds, 14"x32" tire, back half, fiberglass hood only, factory glass. For automatics, 150# weight break.

Pump for displacement, anything suspect comes apart. Any compression ratio, any valvetrain, any porting or polishing allowed.

Here is a outlaw heads up class that uses the rules below It is called ultra street, yes they do run against power adder classes, some 1/8th mile some 1/4 mile

N/A WEIGHTS:
N/A Inline head – 2650
N/A Non-Inline head – 2750
N/A Buick/Olds/Pontiac - 2975
N/A (big block with 9.8 standard deck height and conventional head) 3000 lbs. (add 2.5 lbs per cu in over 589)
N/A (big block Ford with standard deck height and conventional head) 3000 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block with tall deck height and conventional head) 3050 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block with 9.8 standard height and big chief head) 3075 lbs. (add 2.5 lbs per cu in over 589)
N/A (big block with tall deck height and big chief head) 3100 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block Ford with standard deck height and non conventional head) 3125 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block GM with Symmetrical port/non conventional head) 3125 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block Ford with Pro Stock/Symmetrical type cylinder heads) 3225 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs

GENERAL:
- No Billet cylinder heads/blocks

This past weekend in Memphis $2,500 win, $150 entry

[Dick Butler]

Tony, Probably people would be interested in how many cars show for the Coyote class.

[Tony Corley]

Dick,
There were 16 at the season opener, in Bradenton. It was the biggest heads up class, including ones that have been around since the beginning of the NMRA.
A lot of guys in NMRA are from the North, and don't make the trip.
I think on average there have been 18-20 showing up, with many more new cars being built. Like any other new class, a lot of people waited awhile to make certain it was going to work out. There are already a handful of new cars ready to run this year.
The brand new Chevrolet Performance Class just had it's inaugural NMCA Race in Bradenton, and had 4 cars show up, but many more being built. I think the plan is to eventually run the 2 classes against each other in the NMCA.
I'm not saying the rules would have to be verbatim, because truthfully, I don;t like the current trans rules. Stock/SS type trans and clutches would be better in my opinion.
I'm excited to watch the Chevrolet Class grow. They kept minimum weight at 3200lbs to make the old body styles competitive. They were in the 10.70's for this very first race, and should get quicker.
Coyote Stock guys are running 10'30's at race weight.


The cool things that help keep these classes in check is that the sanctioning bodies can and will check/swap computers in the staging lanes to ensure they are not tampered with. If one car starts to show a huge advantage over the others, a quick chassis dyno will let them know if something is out of kilter performance wise. No tear downs required, just a fuel check, weight, and computer test.
The drivers are required to sign a agreement in advance to not alter the engine, computer, or sensors in any way. Grounds for suspension.

[GUMP]

The brand new Chevrolet Performance Class just had it's inaugural NMCA Race in Bradenton, and had 4 cars show up, but many more being built.

There were five cars at Bradenton.

[Tony Corley]

Originally Posted by rognelson777

Here is a outlaw heads up class that uses the rules below It is called ultra street, yes they do run against power adder classes, some 1/8th mile some 1/4 mile

N/A WEIGHTS:
N/A Inline head – 2650
N/A Non-Inline head – 2750
N/A Buick/Olds/Pontiac - 2975
N/A (big block with 9.8 standard deck height and conventional head) 3000 lbs. (add 2.5 lbs per cu in over 589)
N/A (big block Ford with standard deck height and conventional head) 3000 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block with tall deck height and conventional head) 3050 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block with 9.8 standard height and big chief head) 3075 lbs. (add 2.5 lbs per cu in over 589)
N/A (big block with tall deck height and big chief head) 3100 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block Ford with standard deck height and non conventional head) 3125 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block GM with Symmetrical port/non conventional head) 3125 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block Ford with Pro Stock/Symmetrical type cylinder heads) 3225 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs

GENERAL:
- No Billet cylinder heads/blocks

This past weekend in Memphis $2,500 win, $150 entry

Ultra Street is a cool class, I have friends running it. But it is not a cheap class, even though it is somewhat limited.
I have 2 good friends that are brothers that were both in the finals of each of their respective heads up classes in Memphis this weekend. (Chris and Brian Tuten) Of course rain ended it and money was split, but they were both in good shape to win.

[Tony Corley]

Originally Posted by GUMP

There were five cars at Bradenton.

Sorry, thought I typed 5. Fat fingers, lol


I wouldn't mind running the Chevrolet Performance Class, but once again, the closest race is 2 hours away, the rest or 7 or more. Having a series large enough to have divisionals, and I would start building tomorrow.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Tony Corley

I wouldn't mind running the Chevrolet Performance Class, but once again, the closest race is 2 hours away, the rest or 7 or more. Having a series large enough to have divisionals, and I would start building tomorrow.

It looks like it will be a fun class. I am building one. I should have it at Atlanta.

[Tony Corley]

Atlanta is the close race to me, lol. What are you building?


Edit. Just saw the Formula. Should be a great combo.


Am I wrong in believing a class like this would quickly grow in the NHRA?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Tony Corley

Am I wrong in believing a class like this would quickly grow in the NHRA?

I don't know. Stock racers are a hard headed bunch.