Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? - Page 2

Evan Smith · 04-06-2010, 07:07 AM

It doesn't hurt anyone if you don't mind an extra round of eliminations. So, why don't we just give everyone a trophy and call it a day.

It's called competition, and that's why many of us race. There is something special about making the field at Indy. I have enough trouble going two rounds, no less eight. Sure there are plenty of hard-working racers who don't run very far under the index, but anyone can build any combination, so if you want to qualify at Indy build a combo that goes deep under the index, just like Bob Shaw does. That is not a knock on Shaw, he is obviously smart, he likes to qualify well, and he finds combos that allow him to do so.

Evan

Billy Nees · 04-06-2010, 07:39 AM

[QUOTE=Mike Carr;180220]The correct option isn't listed in the poll.

3) "All Class Winners, plus Low ET Qualifiers, to make 128 car field".

So the question is, why was this left off of the poll?
It IS the only correct option!
(That is unless you're one of the CJs or DPs that didn't win class! But what the hell, bump out those old pieces of s**t!)

mannymen · 04-06-2010, 07:54 AM

All run (180 quota) would definitely draw cars that would ordinarily not show up. What is one more round or racing in stock & super stock going to matter when you start qualifying on Wednesday and have to spend 6 days at a track for one race.

If Super Gas isn't filled (which it probably won't be 120/150 quota 2009) then that's where my super stocker will be at (I just need the Shipp bros help with my setup

). I definitely can't run under enough to qualify in the 128

Heck you can skip Wed and make your one 9.90 hit on Thurs and be ready for the 1st round on Friday. That will save you a little time and money by not having to show up on Tuesday.

Bill Koski · 04-06-2010, 09:50 AM

Anybody that wants an all-run field can do that!
Just go to a bracket race!

Tony Janes · 04-06-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Koski

Anybody that wants an all-run field can do that!
Just go to a bracket race!

I do go bracket racing, it is called Stock Eliminator

Mike Carr · 04-06-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes

I do go bracket racing, it is called Stock Eliminator

Scales. Fuel check. Heads-up runs. Qualifying. Teardowns. Class Wins. The possibility of being a DNQ. National Records.

I have had runs disallowed due to fuel and weight issues. I've DNQ'd at Indy before (2000). I've torn down for setting National Records. All while racing Stock Eliminator. Never done any of the above while bracket racing. Indexes too. In bracket racing, no one tells you you can't dial slower than (insert ET here--except for class ET breaks). Otherwise, in Stock, I could have run my daily driven 13-14 second '95 Camaro in D/SA and been OK, as long as it met the safety requirements. And in brackets, you don't have people telling you what blocks, heads, transmissions, spec numbers, etc are, and what you have to run, and you can't be DQ'd in Super Pro because of a cylinder head issue.

About the only similarity between Stock and brackets is a two dollar bottle of shoe polish.

LNorton · 04-06-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

But, seriously, who does it make uncomfortable to have an "all run" policy in Stock Eliminator at Indy on Labor Day?

Because anyone like yourself can qualify in footbrake at your local track. Oh wait, thats for everyone!

The fact is that Stock is not for everyone. If you don't strive to improve the performance of your car, then you shouldn't be racing at Indy. That is part of what running stock is all about. It is more than just a bracket race.

Mike Voth · 04-06-2010, 12:53 PM

The real question is...

It took -0.900 to make the Indy field last year in both Stock and Super Stock. Even after losing three tenths off the indexes...I'll bet it'll still take -0.900 to make the field this year!! (I guess that was more of a statement, than question)

THE LEGEND · 04-06-2010, 01:27 PM

Stock is BRacket racing with rules. and if you think it's not the same that would explain why you don't win.
Chip Johnson

Jack McCarthy · 04-06-2010, 01:54 PM

billy...
the only true question was left off the poll because the starter of the thread cant win class or qualify therefore that wasnt an option...

i will never race indy again unless they return to true class competition...
im not whining here, and my car might race and it will qualify (at least until 128 cj's or dp's show up), but that was one rule too damn many to be enhanced for me.

the captain

View Poll Results: Should Indy Be All Run Field In Stock?
ONLY 128 Fastest Cars under index	133	66.50%
ALL RUN FIELD	67	33.50%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

04-06-2010, 07:07 AM	#11
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 403 Likes: 4 Liked 94 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? It doesn't hurt anyone if you don't mind an extra round of eliminations. So, why don't we just give everyone a trophy and call it a day. It's called competition, and that's why many of us race. There is something special about making the field at Indy. I have enough trouble going two rounds, no less eight. Sure there are plenty of hard-working racers who don't run very far under the index, but anyone can build any combination, so if you want to qualify at Indy build a combo that goes deep under the index, just like Bob Shaw does. That is not a knock on Shaw, he is obviously smart, he likes to qualify well, and he finds combos that allow him to do so. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

04-06-2010, 07:39 AM	#12
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,223 Likes: 3,096 Liked 6,785 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? [QUOTE=Mike Carr;180220]The correct option isn't listed in the poll. 3) "All Class Winners, plus Low ET Qualifiers, to make 128 car field". So the question is, why was this left off of the poll? It IS the only correct option! (That is unless you're one of the CJs or DPs that didn't win class! But what the hell, bump out those old pieces of s*t!) __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS World's greatest Under-Achiever! Last edited by Billy Nees; 04-06-2010 at 07:42 AM.*

04-06-2010, 07:54 AM	#13
mannymen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 728 Likes: 4 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? All run (180 quota) would definitely draw cars that would ordinarily not show up. What is one more round or racing in stock & super stock going to matter when you start qualifying on Wednesday and have to spend 6 days at a track for one race. If Super Gas isn't filled (which it probably won't be 120/150 quota 2009) then that's where my super stocker will be at (I just need the Shipp bros help with my setup). I definitely can't run under enough to qualify in the 128 Heck you can skip Wed and make your one 9.90 hit on Thurs and be ready for the 1st round on Friday. That will save you a little time and money by not having to show up on Tuesday. __________________ N/A

04-06-2010, 09:50 AM	#14
Bill Koski Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 213 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? Anybody that wants an all-run field can do that! Just go to a bracket race!

04-06-2010, 12:53 PM	#18
Mike Voth Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Buhler, KS Posts: 526 Likes: 5 Liked 40 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? The real question is... It took -0.900 to make the Indy field last year in both Stock and Super Stock. Even after losing three tenths off the indexes...I'll bet it'll still take -0.900 to make the field this year!! (I guess that was more of a statement, than question) __________________ Mike Voth 5189 GTN - 5188 GTO Voth Racing

04-06-2010, 01:27 PM	#19
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? Stock is BRacket racing with rules. and if you think it's not the same that would explain why you don't win. Chip Johnson

04-06-2010, 01:54 PM	#20
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,284 Likes: 22 Liked 352 Times in 92 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? billy... the only true question was left off the poll because the starter of the thread cant win class or qualify therefore that wasnt an option... i will never race indy again unless they return to true class competition... im not whining here, and my car might race and it will qualify (at least until 128 cj's or dp's show up), but that was one rule too damn many to be enhanced for me. the captain __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"