'1968' "Ball of Confusion"

Paul Ceasrine · 07-07-2010, 12:31 PM

Dave,
The 1968 Super/Stock classes in the beginning of 1968 were a little confusing.
The only thing I can remember, is that the 1968 Road Runner Hemi
was classed in SS/C, and the 1967 Plymouth Belvedere II Hemi R/O cars were classed in SS/D.
It was based on weight, the Road Runner listed weight was #3595 lbs.
The Belvedere II was #77 lbs. heavier at #3672 lbs.
The Hemi Road Runner at that time was at a disadvantage in SS/C
It came in at the high-end of the weight bracket (7.69 wt/hp)
I think the street Hemi's horsepower was re-factored from 425HP to 470HP
I think the weight brackets were;
SS/B = 0-6.99
SS/C = 7.00-7.69
SS/D = 7.70-8.69
SS/E= 8.70-9.47
SS/F= 9.48 and up
At the beginning of 1968, the Hemi Darts and Cuda's were not recognized, and the 65' A-990 Hemi cars were the base point, classed in SS/B. There were no SS/A cars in 1968.
In 1969, things got somewhat corrected. SS/A was 0-5.99, SS/B was 6.00-6.49, SS/C was 6.50-6.99,, etc.up to SS/J 10.00 and up
In 1970, the Hemi Cuda's and Darts started in SS/A at 6.00-6.49, everybody went down one class.
The reason SS/A was set at 0-5.99 was because of the possible production of of the 69 ZL-1 Corvette, and 69 SOHC liteweight Mustang.
Also, there was a proposal for a 1968 Road Runner Super/Stocker with lightweight components and a 440 in-line/dual-carbed engine. Mopar never went through with it, because it would have been rated at 400HP and weighed in at #3410 lbs, which put it in SS/D class, in direct competition with the B-Body Street Hemi's. Mopar was hoping for a 390HP rating, so it would have been perfect for SS/E.
pc

X-TECH MAN · 07-07-2010, 04:35 PM

I thought you were talking about a local S/S car from 1963. I was a 1963 427 factory Lite weight Galaxie called "Ball of Confusion" owned and driven by a great older black fellow name Mr. Yates who I worked with a couple of years before he retired. He still owns the car and no it isnt for sale. He said he will be buried in it. He painted it RED to match the interior and raced it for many many years even as a bracket car in later years with a 4 speed and won a few races against the late Bob "Clinton Shaker" Maxey. . He is a "died in the wool" Ford guy and we had many good coversations swaping "lies" about the old days when he ran against "Mousie" Brown and his 409 Chebbie and Dan "Smoker" Smith in his 63 Max Wedge Plymouth. Those were the good ole days.

Paul Ceasrine · 07-08-2010, 08:45 AM

You know 'Ball of Confusion" is another cool name,
Good song too!

Jim Wahl · 07-08-2010, 01:04 PM

"Ball Of Confusion"......... 1970........... The Temptations.

Read the lyrics and see how they apply today! As my mom used to say, "there is nothing new under the sun".

http://www.bing.com/music/lyrics/det...33&FORM=DTPMUA

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Paul Ceasrine · 07-08-2010, 03:42 PM

Jim,
Great lyrics.
My favorite line.
"Vote for me, and I'll set you free"
PC

Jim Wahl · 07-08-2010, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Jim,
Great lyrics.
My favorite line.
"Vote for me, and I'll set you free"
PC

Sounds like what our President used to say huh? Jim

07-07-2010, 12:31 PM	#1
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	'1968' "Ball of Confusion" Dave, The 1968 Super/Stock classes in the beginning of 1968 were a little confusing. The only thing I can remember, is that the 1968 Road Runner Hemi was classed in SS/C, and the 1967 Plymouth Belvedere II Hemi R/O cars were classed in SS/D. It was based on weight, the Road Runner listed weight was #3595 lbs. The Belvedere II was #77 lbs. heavier at #3672 lbs. The Hemi Road Runner at that time was at a disadvantage in SS/C It came in at the high-end of the weight bracket (7.69 wt/hp) I think the street Hemi's horsepower was re-factored from 425HP to 470HP I think the weight brackets were; SS/B = 0-6.99 SS/C = 7.00-7.69 SS/D = 7.70-8.69 SS/E= 8.70-9.47 SS/F= 9.48 and up At the beginning of 1968, the Hemi Darts and Cuda's were not recognized, and the 65' A-990 Hemi cars were the base point, classed in SS/B. There were no SS/A cars in 1968. In 1969, things got somewhat corrected. SS/A was 0-5.99, SS/B was 6.00-6.49, SS/C was 6.50-6.99,, etc.up to SS/J 10.00 and up In 1970, the Hemi Cuda's and Darts started in SS/A at 6.00-6.49, everybody went down one class. The reason SS/A was set at 0-5.99 was because of the possible production of of the 69 ZL-1 Corvette, and 69 SOHC liteweight Mustang. Also, there was a proposal for a 1968 Road Runner Super/Stocker with lightweight components and a 440 in-line/dual-carbed engine. Mopar never went through with it, because it would have been rated at 400HP and weighed in at #3410 lbs, which put it in SS/D class, in direct competition with the B-Body Street Hemi's. Mopar was hoping for a 390HP rating, so it would have been perfect for SS/E. pc Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 07-08-2010 at 03:27 PM.

07-07-2010, 04:35 PM	#2
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,207 Likes: 1,049 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: '1968' "Ball of Confusion" I thought you were talking about a local S/S car from 1963. I was a 1963 427 factory Lite weight Galaxie called "Ball of Confusion" owned and driven by a great older black fellow name Mr. Yates who I worked with a couple of years before he retired. He still owns the car and no it isnt for sale. He said he will be buried in it. He painted it RED to match the interior and raced it for many many years even as a bracket car in later years with a 4 speed and won a few races against the late Bob "Clinton Shaker" Maxey. . He is a "died in the wool" Ford guy and we had many good coversations swaping "lies" about the old days when he ran against "Mousie" Brown and his 409 Chebbie and Dan "Smoker" Smith in his 63 Max Wedge Plymouth. Those were the good ole days.

07-08-2010, 01:04 PM	#4
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,842 Likes: 629 Liked 672 Times in 121 Posts	Re: '1968' "Ball of Confusion" "Ball Of Confusion"......... 1970........... The Temptations. Read the lyrics and see how they apply today! As my mom used to say, "there is nothing new under the sun". http://www.bing.com/music/lyrics/det...33&FORM=DTPMUA . __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 D2 National Open Stock Champion 1981 D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association. Last edited by Jim Wahl; 07-08-2010 at 01:14 PM.

07-08-2010, 03:42 PM	#5
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '1968' "Ball of Confusion" Jim, Great lyrics. My favorite line. "Vote for me, and I'll set you free" PC

07-08-2010, 08:45 AM	#3
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: '1968' "Ball of Confusion" You know 'Ball of Confusion" is another cool name, Good song too!