AHFS at Indy - Page 3

Paradigm Shift · 07-21-2017, 02:23 PM

You were obvious and my question goes beyond what is evident at face value.

Let's go deeper. Why would anyone be opposed to this adjustment when appropriate? What is to be gained and how?

I don't believe racers choose to compete in Stock with the understanding that they will have to deal with a blatant chasm between those that do and don't have appropriate factors, although that concern is certainly evident.

Who is ultimately responsible for the assurance of integrity of Stock Eliminator?

Cotten · 07-21-2017, 02:39 PM

The key words are " when aporopriate".
Both of my cars are pretty good examples of their paticular combo.

There are a number of cars that mine are faster than and probably just as many that are faster than me. So what's appropriate? Who gets hit first?

Would I like to go to Indy with my cars 50lbs lighter? Of course it gives me a better chance to win and makes me look smarter lol.

Nhra put the ahfs in so at least there was something to try to keep things from getting out of control. They as well as everyone else know it's not perfect.

I personally liked the old hp committee better but those days are gone so I'll play by the rules they give me.

Nhra and the racers are responsible for the integrity of the class and I like to think we're BOTH doing the best we can. Lol

Good discussion I've got to get back to work.

Mike

Superfan1 · 07-21-2017, 06:37 PM

Mike, I will see you at Indy bright and early on Wednesday August 28.

Ron Ortiz · 07-21-2017, 08:42 PM

Sorry folks, but if Indy was really Indy, there would be no AHFS, the field would consist of all class winners and the fastest others. The field would be like 96 cars which would cover all the classes and the other quick cars. Tear downs deemed by NHRA. Most of these cars have been through NHRA divisionals and opens. Caught cheating, banned for three years from competition and Indy. This is Indy, time for the bad boys, in all classes, not the fastest 128, that is so bogus. For you whiners that say well there is only one car in that class, well, build one for that class and quit your whining.

If you want to run, say, B/SA well, get ready Buster, there is a ton of people that want to run B/SA, fastest class winner gets in, period. Why not build a R-U/SA car that NHRA has factored so low that you will qualify easily in the top of the field. Still have to win class or be one of the fastest qualifiers.

This is Indy, go fast or go home, but it is a class race, let's not loose sight of that.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA been there done that.

Mark Yacavone · 07-21-2017, 09:44 PM

Let's not kid ourselves here.
For anyone who thinks they did this because a few guys with old cars asked for it,...it didn't happen.
A couple of concerned parties want to see FS run hard and fast .Therefore no AHFS for them.
The FS DNQ's then go into the real Stock Eliminator, after not having run under the same rules as everyone else.
Easiest fix? No AHFS for all.
Enjoy !

Tuki · 07-22-2017, 12:27 AM

The FS cars taking the top half the field at Indy is awful..Nhra doesn't seem to care About chrome bumper cars anymore..that said A/sa at Indy should
Be interesting

Larry Hill · 07-22-2017, 08:09 AM

Tuki, thanks for the heads up! I will instal the rubber bumpers on the Cuda and move into the 20th century.

All class runs at Indy are interesting!

James Perrone · 07-22-2017, 09:12 AM

Nhra did this to protect the NEW FS. Cars
Let's be real these new car proved how fast they could in 2009
They went so fast they factored there way into SS real quick
Then went so fast they would all be comp cars.
Nhra mixed up some new kool aide for us to drink.
FS classes created to save all the bogus HP.
Every year more new cars appear. And more old cars GO HOME

Larry Hill · 07-22-2017, 09:30 AM

How about if you run in the FS Shootout, and don't qualify, you go home!! Not to the top of the regular Stock field!!! That would make lots of people happy! Or if not go home, go to the bottom of the Stock field!!

Patsy

BRINK · 08-11-2017, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuki

the fs cars taking the top half the field at indy is awful..nhra doesn't seem to care about chrome bumper cars anymore..that said a/sa at indy should
be interesting

who in god's name are these people ?

07-21-2017, 02:23 PM	#21
Paradigm Shift Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143 Likes: 3 Liked 80 Times in 29 Posts	Re: AHFS at Indy You were obvious and my question goes beyond what is evident at face value. Let's go deeper. Why would anyone be opposed to this adjustment when appropriate? What is to be gained and how? I don't believe racers choose to compete in Stock with the understanding that they will have to deal with a blatant chasm between those that do and don't have appropriate factors, although that concern is certainly evident. Who is ultimately responsible for the assurance of integrity of Stock Eliminator?

07-21-2017, 02:39 PM	#22
Cotten Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 219 Likes: 452 Liked 485 Times in 58 Posts	Re: AHFS at Indy The key words are " when aporopriate". Both of my cars are pretty good examples of their paticular combo. There are a number of cars that mine are faster than and probably just as many that are faster than me. So what's appropriate? Who gets hit first? Would I like to go to Indy with my cars 50lbs lighter? Of course it gives me a better chance to win and makes me look smarter lol. Nhra put the ahfs in so at least there was something to try to keep things from getting out of control. They as well as everyone else know it's not perfect. I personally liked the old hp committee better but those days are gone so I'll play by the rules they give me. Nhra and the racers are responsible for the integrity of the class and I like to think we're BOTH doing the best we can. Lol Good discussion I've got to get back to work. Mike

07-21-2017, 06:37 PM	#23
Superfan1 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bridgeport,CT. Posts: 1,946 Likes: 1,547 Liked 2,344 Times in 409 Posts	Re: AHFS at Indy Mike, I will see you at Indy bright and early on Wednesday August 28. __________________ Bill Seabrooks - superfan1 Bridgeport, CT

07-21-2017, 08:42 PM	#24
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 962 Likes: 28 Liked 255 Times in 87 Posts	Re: AHFS at Indy Sorry folks, but if Indy was really Indy, there would be no AHFS, the field would consist of all class winners and the fastest others. The field would be like 96 cars which would cover all the classes and the other quick cars. Tear downs deemed by NHRA. Most of these cars have been through NHRA divisionals and opens. Caught cheating, banned for three years from competition and Indy. This is Indy, time for the bad boys, in all classes, not the fastest 128, that is so bogus. For you whiners that say well there is only one car in that class, well, build one for that class and quit your whining. If you want to run, say, B/SA well, get ready Buster, there is a ton of people that want to run B/SA, fastest class winner gets in, period. Why not build a R-U/SA car that NHRA has factored so low that you will qualify easily in the top of the field. Still have to win class or be one of the fastest qualifiers. This is Indy, go fast or go home, but it is a class race, let's not loose sight of that. Ron Ortiz U/SA been there done that. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

07-21-2017, 09:44 PM	#25
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,418 Likes: 2,582 Liked 4,453 Times in 1,694 Posts	Re: AHFS at Indy Let's not kid ourselves here. For anyone who thinks they did this because a few guys with old cars asked for it,...it didn't happen. A couple of concerned parties want to see FS run hard and fast .Therefore no AHFS for them. The FS DNQ's then go into the real Stock Eliminator, after not having run under the same rules as everyone else. Easiest fix? No AHFS for all. Enjoy ! __________________ We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for..... Will Rogers

07-22-2017, 12:27 AM	#26
Tuki Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Martinsburg WV Posts: 28 Likes: 0 Liked 24 Times in 7 Posts	Re: AHFS at Indy The FS cars taking the top half the field at Indy is awful..Nhra doesn't seem to care About chrome bumper cars anymore..that said A/sa at Indy should Be interesting

07-22-2017, 08:09 AM	#27
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,284 Likes: 1,638 Liked 9,461 Times in 1,960 Posts	Re: AHFS at Indy Tuki, thanks for the heads up! I will instal the rubber bumpers on the Cuda and move into the 20th century. All class runs at Indy are interesting! __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

07-22-2017, 09:12 AM	#28
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,596 Likes: 2,932 Liked 1,610 Times in 377 Posts	Re: AHFS at Indy Nhra did this to protect the NEW FS. Cars Let's be real these new car proved how fast they could in 2009 They went so fast they factored there way into SS real quick Then went so fast they would all be comp cars. Nhra mixed up some new kool aide for us to drink. FS classes created to save all the bogus HP. Every year more new cars appear. And more old cars GO HOME __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

07-22-2017, 09:30 AM	#29
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,284 Likes: 1,638 Liked 9,461 Times in 1,960 Posts	Re: AHFS at Indy How about if you run in the FS Shootout, and don't qualify, you go home!! Not to the top of the regular Stock field!!! That would make lots of people happy! Or if not go home, go to the bottom of the Stock field!! Patsy __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817