Where you qualify is very important

[Michael Beard]

Another example, if you have a 41-car field (one of the "magic ladders" as is being discussed here), there's a total of 4 bye runs throughout eliminations.

Utilizing Tom's ladder, it's actually more complicated than what I'd originally thought. In order to get 41 cars to 32 in round 2, you would have to pair 18 cars (sending 9 into rnd 2) and give 23 cars bye runs. (18+23=41 rnd 1 cars. 9+23=32 rnd 2 cars).

I don't see how awarding 23 bye runs is an improvement over 4. Additionally, this procedure would cost an additional $650 in round money (Based on NHRA Div. 1 payouts), as there would be 16 cars left in Rnd 3 as opposed to 11, and more cars in each successive round. Running all the singles would take more time as well, unless you ran them side-by-side. Multiply the time and money by the number of classes that would use this system.

I do enjoy the mental gymnastics of working through ideas, though.

[Brad Zaskowski]

Another way would be to just have 8, 16, 32, 64 and 128 car fields based on car count rounding down from the actual car count....

Bring some performance back to our classes and there would only broke opponent bye runs most likely after first round

27 cars in the class make it a 16 car field, no bye runs, 11 cars dnq and 11 cars available for alternates.

33 cars in the class make it a 32 car field, no bye runs, 1 car dnq and available as alternate.

73 cars in the class make it a 64 car field, no bye runs, 9 cars dnq and 9 cars available for alternates.

This one would suck- got 127 cars round down to the 64 car field, no bye runs, 63 cars dnq and 63 cars available as alternates.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Brad Zaskowski

Another way would be to just have 8, 16, 32, 64 and 128 car fields based on car count rounding down from the actual car count....

Bring some performance back to our classes and there would only broke opponent bye runs most likely after first round

27 cars in the class make it a 16 car field, no bye runs, 11 cars dnq and 11 cars available for alternates.

33 cars in the class make it a 32 car field, no bye runs, 1 car dnq and available as alternate.

73 cars in the class make it a 64 car field, no bye runs, 9 cars dnq and 9 cars available for alternates.

This one would suck- got 127 cars round down to the 64 car field, no bye runs, 63 cars dnq and 63 cars available as alternates.

I'm sure THAT would work wonders for car-counts!

[GUMP]

Why not just leave it alone?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Kevin Zaskowski

I don't think Brad was suggesting a new theory to increase car counts.

I don't think that he was either, he was just making a point.
The point I am trying to make is that the average 5 tenths under Racer isn't going to show up to try and qualify for a 7 tenths under field.

[Charley Downing]

I think its time we remove our selfs from the 60's and 70's.

iam all for 64 car fields at all pts races and nationals events. I think INDY should stay a 128 car field. The car counts are bad now so whats the difference. All you cry baby old time racers already have 20 reasons why you don't race. So whats one more?

[Ed Wright]

Hard to bring "performance" to a bracket race.

[Charley Downing]

Ed if you lower the number of available qualify spots won't that bring the performance level back up.
This sport is not for everyone and has always been about who will spend the most money to go fast.
And yes this sport is not fair.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

I think its time we remove our selfs from the 60's and 70's.

iam all for 64 car fields at all pts races and nationals events. I think INDY should stay a 128 car field. The car counts are bad now so whats the difference. All you cry baby old time racers already have 20 reasons why you don't race. So whats one more?

CB, There were qualified only fields in the 70's too..Sanair for one.

Here's one from the 80's> All Class winners plus fill in with low qualifiers, 64 car fields, except for Indy (128)
Want to bring performance back? There ya go..

[Charley Downing]

Iam all for class winner bump inn's. and getting rid of the class combo BS.
If you single for class and run under the index your in.
And you get your class win wally