Ya gotta be kidding... - Page 2

Jesse Kershaw · 05-14-2014, 01:52 PM

The 429 is our answer to the 426 Hemi, and the 427 Chevy. The cam lift is line on line with the Hemi combo.

The throttle body is our off-the-shelf unit. Big but front entry as opposed to the scoop of the Hemi. I consider it a wash. Likewise the head is 12 year old NASCAR tech but it's off-the-shelf as well. However the 429 is at .650" lift while the NASCAR engines are over 1". Huge difference! It becomes an apples and oranges argument trying to compare the engines.

These engines are designed specifically for Factory Showdown. It should be very fun and exciting, and not affect any older combos as the natural class is BB. The Dodge guys are dominating FS/B right now and we want to mix it up a little. The point is to promote Stock racing and help Factory Showdown grow, having all 3 makes in is a big part of that.

Hopefully Chevy ups their ante with a .650" lift SOLID lifter cam and maybe a CNC port on their intake like the Dodge has and we should be VERY level in performance.

I think we've got the best teams running Ford's (although I do like the Barton and Teuton teams) and I'm excited for Indy. I hope the Chevy guys get a combo that gives them the specs to be right inline with the Ford and Mopar so we can stop the paperwork exercise, get to work and settle this on the track.

Rory McNeil · 05-14-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

The Mopar's use a 4 hole 1 3/4 in on the DP's which is the same size as 750 CFM 4150 series carb, but it is rated @ 1000 cfm. The 426 Hemi uses a 2" which is the same as a 4500 series base and is rated @ 1600 cfm. Course we are only flowing air. The Copo 427 single blade has a slightly larger area than the 2" 4 bore that we use.

Also, your 4 1 3/4" throttle blades are not encumbered by venturis and boosters getting "in the way". Thus the higher flow ratings.

Gary Summers · 05-14-2014, 03:14 PM

You tell those guys like it is Jesse. It is like the phrase you always tell me that you are tired of taking a knife to a gunfight.

Joe Toller · 05-14-2014, 03:27 PM

Am I the only guy who wishes these cars would be "Pro Stock" instead of the current class?

Dan Fahey · 05-14-2014, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Toller

Am I the only guy who wishes these cars would be "Pro Stock" instead of the current class?

Call it NASCAR Pro Stock

Bruce Noland · 05-14-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Toller

Am I the only guy who wishes these cars would be "Pro Stock" instead of the current class?

No you aren't. There are many more folks who despise these cars in Stock and Super Stock than there are who want them in. The OEM guys chime in only when there is massaging that needs to be done. History will provide a very dark view of their actions. But what do they care?

Paul Merolla · 05-14-2014, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

No you aren't. There are many more folks who despise these cars in Stock and Super Stock than there are who want them in. The OEM guys chime in only when there is massaging that needs to be done. History will provide a very dark view of their actions. But what do they care?

Bruce, I think what he means is instead of tube chassis, jellybean, 500 inch Pro Stockers...the factory S/SS cars should be Pro Stock. And I agree...

Bruce Noland · 05-14-2014, 11:17 PM

"instead of the current class" - I can't speak for Joe but it appears that he thinks these cars would be better suited in Pro Stock than running them in Stock. And I agree with that.

gbur · 05-15-2014, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce noland

"instead of the current class" - i can't speak for joe but it appears that he thinks these cars would be better suited in pro stock than running them in stock. And i agree with that.

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str5010 · 05-15-2014, 06:35 AM

Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and new to stock/super stock racing as well. I'm trying to catch up on what has been going on with these new factory stock cars which is how I landed here. Can anybody point me in the right direction as to where I can find more info on the following:

1) I saw an article somewhere briefly mentioning that the current rules made the V10 Mopar drag packs uncompetitve against the supercharged Fords and Chevys, but I can't seem find it again or any other info relating to this.

2) I read something else similar to what has been mentioned in this thread that all of these new factory drag cars are taking advantage of the current rules and really shouldn't be running in the current classes.

Maybe I should just make a new thread, but any pointers on where to go for this info would be appreciated - thanks!

05-14-2014, 01:52 PM	#11
Jesse Kershaw Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 108 Likes: 6 Liked 120 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Ya gotta be kidding... The 429 is our answer to the 426 Hemi, and the 427 Chevy. The cam lift is line on line with the Hemi combo. The throttle body is our off-the-shelf unit. Big but front entry as opposed to the scoop of the Hemi. I consider it a wash. Likewise the head is 12 year old NASCAR tech but it's off-the-shelf as well. However the 429 is at .650" lift while the NASCAR engines are over 1". Huge difference! It becomes an apples and oranges argument trying to compare the engines. These engines are designed specifically for Factory Showdown. It should be very fun and exciting, and not affect any older combos as the natural class is BB. The Dodge guys are dominating FS/B right now and we want to mix it up a little. The point is to promote Stock racing and help Factory Showdown grow, having all 3 makes in is a big part of that. Hopefully Chevy ups their ante with a .650" lift SOLID lifter cam and maybe a CNC port on their intake like the Dodge has and we should be VERY level in performance. I think we've got the best teams running Ford's (although I do like the Barton and Teuton teams) and I'm excited for Indy. I hope the Chevy guys get a combo that gives them the specs to be right inline with the Ford and Mopar so we can stop the paperwork exercise, get to work and settle this on the track. __________________ Jesse Kershaw

05-14-2014, 03:14 PM	#13
Gary Summers Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 84 Likes: 0 Liked 47 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Ya gotta be kidding... You tell those guys like it is Jesse. It is like the phrase you always tell me that you are tired of taking a knife to a gunfight.

05-14-2014, 03:27 PM	#14
Joe Toller Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lewistown, Montana Posts: 550 Likes: 78 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Ya gotta be kidding... Am I the only guy who wishes these cars would be "Pro Stock" instead of the current class? __________________ Joe Toller Lewistown, MT

05-14-2014, 11:17 PM	#18
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Ya gotta be kidding... "instead of the current class" - I can't speak for Joe but it appears that he thinks these cars would be better suited in Pro Stock than running them in Stock. And I agree with that. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

05-15-2014, 06:35 AM	#20
str5010 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 4 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ya gotta be kidding... Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and new to stock/super stock racing as well. I'm trying to catch up on what has been going on with these new factory stock cars which is how I landed here. Can anybody point me in the right direction as to where I can find more info on the following: 1) I saw an article somewhere briefly mentioning that the current rules made the V10 Mopar drag packs uncompetitve against the supercharged Fords and Chevys, but I can't seem find it again or any other info relating to this. 2) I read something else similar to what has been mentioned in this thread that all of these new factory drag cars are taking advantage of the current rules and really shouldn't be running in the current classes. Maybe I should just make a new thread, but any pointers on where to go for this info would be appreciated - thanks!