What's wrong with Stock?

[Alan Roehrich]

Jeff Teuton proposed a new set of classes for the new factory cars at least 2-3 years ago, maybe longer. A set of classes from A to F, with one pound weight breaks, from 6 pounds to 11 pounds per HP.

That would be great for the factories, as well as fair and equitable treatment for all.

[Tom P]

Buff, that'd be a good idea as long as there isn't something like that stick 5.7 Challenger to upset all the rest of the class.

[Tom P]

Question, not that anybody would be crazy enough to try.... but do the new classes like AA/S and AAA/S allow cars which couldn't run in stock before due to fitting way above 8lbs. Something like a 427 Cobra would be fun to run if the new cars were exiled to other classes.

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Tom P

Buff, that'd be a good idea as long as there isn't something like that stick 5.7 Challenger to upset all the rest of the class.

Hi Tom. That was part of the AHFS, that only factors a car based on transmission type (I can agree with that somewhat). The same 5.7 rated 305 (337 I believe tomorrow) with a stick is 421 with an automatic. Having all the new ('08 and newer) cars run each other in FSS will almost assure that, sooner than later, all the soft combos will get HP. Much like the EFI classes did to each other in 2003-2007.

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by jmantle

You're still missing the point, to the majority of us that race stock, "stock" means something that the dealer sells to the guy walking into the dealership and driving away in. These FS cars don't quite fit that description.
Having the late model cars participating has to be good for the sport, the way it was done leaves a lot to be desired.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

Well maybe we can agree to disagree - you are missing the point.

These cars are purchased through a dealer.

I can not find in the rule book where it needs to be driven away.

Times have change - NHRA has changed - the world has changed.

Next year there will be 50 FSS cars - then what?

Change the index to 9.70 and 10.0 and the problem will go away for now,

Unless people keep finding new things which need to be changed - LMFAO

[Doug Blackley]

Soooo I will ask the question you just opened the door for. Where do I buy a Challenger factory equipped with the V-10 motor?

[Rat Raceway]

Originally Posted by treekiller

can anyone answer when was the last time someone with an older setup out ran a car that was 08 or newer? Equality in hp factoring will never be a reality otherwise these people would never have spent 100-125k on these cars.

I sure can!

Mr. Hagburg at Mile High Nationals. He had me beat and I knew it was coming!

I have spent MANY HOURS working on my car and after my .006 tree to his .112 he got out of it at the end of the track and still won!

Feel free to take a look here.
http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=287884


This has done nothing but make me want to work harder on my car and make it faster for our next heads up race.

Like I have posted before I know of many older combos out there with 1.00+ under the hood but they make sure they protect there combos. Meanwile some of the guys in the newer cars slaughter the combos at every race.

So yes, there are more then some would like to think.


I may be new but if you don't think I spend long hours working on my car my wife and son can tell you other wise!!!

IMO if new cars race on the ladder they must live under the same AHFS everyone else does and every race I run this is the case. Indy is the only one they toss it of for the FSS car's and I understand why people get mad.

[BRINK]

Originally Posted by Carguy49

According to the 2014 NHRA RULE BOOK - All cars in Stock classes must be factory-production assembled , showroom available, and in the hands of the general public. A minimum of 500 units of a particular style must be produced.

How many of the factory cars (copo's drag-packs, cobra jets) are built each year??? How many of them are available to the general public through the dealer showrooms??

I think many of the questions can be answered by examining these criteria.

Evidently NHRA doesn't follow their own rulebook.

Don't get me wrong, I love the new cars (built after 2008), they just need to be put where they belong and factored properly.

Ron, you just nailed the deal. In the 1960's these cars were called "Factory Experimental". The same set of rules should apply today.

[Andys dad]

Originally Posted by Doug Blackley

Soooo I will ask the question you just opened the door for. Where do I buy a Challenger factory equipped with the V-10 motor?

Finally .. a simple answer .. I bought ours through Jeff Teuton's Southland dodge in 2011 .. the only year it was offered to the lucky 50 .. but somehow I am sure that answer will not be good enough.

[cudadoug]

Originally Posted by Jim Whitehead

For the record I run a 1980's car. It is nice to see the automakers getting back involved in stock racing. However some of these combos are not ones that you can walk into the dealership and purchase. They are specific built race cars. I have no issue with people purchasing new cars and working on a new combo, after all we do need new cars coming into the class. However if NHRA allows the factory built cars to run in stock and take up qualifying spots then they should never be allowed to be AHFS exempt. So tell me why is it fair to let the new cars run all out with no penalty for HP. If we all run in STOCK then we should ALL follow the SAME RULES!

THIS hits the nail right on the head! Since when are different classes within Stock allowed different rules? Now I guess that the big three are throwing money at the sanctioning body, huh?

No doubt, new cars NEED to be involved but at a level playing field.