Indy qualifying Stock

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Woodro Josey

Hey Terry, remember when i tried to get NHRA to accept the LT4 in the Firehawk and SS Camaro, now look at what they allow, i guess it's all in who you know! $$$$

and heck Woodro, I've SEEN a real LT4 firebird. I know that it existed, granted it was a stick car but still.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Woodro Josey

Hey Terry, remember when i tried to get NHRA to accept the LT4 in the Firehawk and SS Camaro, now look at what they allow, i guess it's all in who you know! $$$$

You went to the wrong person. I wasnt privy to any of the behind the curtain decisions and didnt hear about it. I could have gotten something done at that time. Now its time to enjoy retirement time. Enjoy like I try to do.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Chip,IHRA did the same thing NHRA did with the new cars.They allowed combinations in that were grossly underfactored,hosing those who had years and a lot of money developing their combos.Granted,IHRA needed these cars to survive.
It seems like NHRA had other motives allowing these cars in at the factors they assigned to them.And now,after three time shots,the top 20 being comprimised of 17 new cars you see the results.
So what's the point?

P.S. to my last post. At least with the crate motored combos the triditional stock cars didnt have to run the crate motored cars HEADS UP in the eliminator or during class. It only affected the qualifying positions and from that point on it was a bracket race.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

P.S. to my last post. At least with the crate motored combos the triditional stock cars didnt have to run the crate motored cars HEADS UP in the eliminator or during class. It only affected the qualifying positions and from that point on it was a bracket race.

And not only that...

IHRA did the same thing NHRA did with the new cars.They allowed combinations in that were grossly underfactored,hosing those who had years and a lot of money developing their combos.

... but also it's worth pointing out that my 5.9L DragPak is rated *50* HP less than my 360 Magnum crate motor was. And the *crate* motor was grossly underfactored?? I'm sorry, but there's no serious comparison between IHRA Crate Motor and the DP's/CJ's.

I glanced at qualifying from the recent national event from Martin, MI. Highest qualified crate motor car was 12th, three tenths behind the top qualifier.

It's also interesting to me how easy it was for NHRA to "change the conversation" by knocking .30 off the indexes. Even though we all know that they were changed .30, still, you look at IHRA qualifying from Martin, and it looks crazy to see the Top 5 cars all -1.20 under or better... but in NHRA-speak, that's only -.90 under, and we glaze over it. -1.000 under is the new -1.300 under. ....You've already got 7 cars at Indy -1.40 under the "old" indexes!

The last year they had the "old" indexes, it took -1.002 under to get in (-.702 under the new indexes) Interesting that Wade Owens has run the same 11.86 as he did two years ago, currently 22nd vs 7th in 2009.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

And not only that...


... but also it's worth pointing out that my 5.9L DragPak is rated *50* HP less than my 360 Magnum crate motor was. And the *crate* motor was grossly underfactored?? I'm sorry, but there's no serious comparison between IHRA Crate Motor and the DP's/CJ's.

I glanced at qualifying from the recent national event from Martin, MI. Highest qualified crate motor car was 12th, three tenths behind the top qualifier.

It's also interesting to me how easy it was for NHRA to "change the conversation" by knocking .30 off the indexes. Even though we all know that they were changed .30, still, you look at IHRA qualifying from Martin, and it looks crazy to see the Top 5 cars all -1.20 under or better... but in NHRA-speak, that's only -.90 under, and we glaze over it. -1.000 under is the new -1.300 under. ....You've already got 7 cars at Indy -1.40 under the "old" indexes!

The last year they had the "old" indexes, it took -1.002 under to get in (-.702 under the new indexes) Interesting that Wade Owens has run the same 11.86 as he did two years ago, currently 22nd vs 7th in 2009.

IHRA did the right thing when they saw these cars running away in qualifying.I guess when ,and this is only conjecture,you're in a manufacture's pocket you can't correct
"mistakes" veryeasily.
And Michael you're analogy about the .30 under is a moot point.You make the final 128 or you don't.
I guess NHRA and the manufactures got what they wanted,domination of the qualifying
sheet in S/SS.

[skills]

They are missing the boat on this one by not giving the new cars their on classes. We would be here talking about the numbers they put up against each other as well as some of the other s/ss numbers. Look at some of the cars not there where are the max wedges?

[Mike Carr]

Challengers and Mustangs in their own class, for one weekend at least:

http://www.nhradiv1.com/content/divn...7200&zoneid=12

August 30, 2011



P C Richard & Son presents

American Muscle Stock Eliminator Class

Heads Up Racing



October 13-16, 2011

PA Dutch Classic Presented by Sony/PCRichard.com

Maple Grove, PA



Designation – AM/S

Index - 10.50



Mustang and Drag Pack cars will run in a different class for the class eliminations runoff.



These cars will stay in that class for event eliminations after class runoff



Weight for this event will be different from published NHRA class guide.



These runs will not count for the AHFS system



– Invitational – Pre-Entry and acceptance required – No Gate Entries

Pre Enter to – blang@nhra.com - Technical questions to rcampbell@nhra



$500 Winner - $250 Runner up

plus a $500 PC Richard & Son Gift Certificate to the winner, $250 Gift Certificate to the runner-up and a $100 Gift Certificate to each semi-finalist.



Event Funds provided by

Gary Richard – PC Richard and Son

Jack Matyas – Bethlehem Auto Sales

Al Smyth – Porta Tree

Kent Hanley – Reivis Financial

Anthony Bongiovanni – Micro Strategies



American Muscle Stock Class Heads-Up Racing



The following combinations to be permitted to compete in a heads-up eliminator – with invitation

Min Wt w/driver

Auto Man

08 Ford Mustang 330/425 3550 3730

10 Ford Mustang 330/435 3695 3770

10 Ford Mustang 428/375 3080 2980

12 Ford Mustang 330/450 3725 3800



09 Dodge Challenger 370/385 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 370/390 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 392/375 3200 3100

11 Dodge Challenger 512/450 3590 3490

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by skills

They are missing the boat on this one by not giving the new cars their on classes. We would be here talking about the numbers they put up against each other as well as some of the other s/ss numbers. Look at some of the cars not there where are the max wedges?

Why bother going......a Max Wedge dosent stand a chance. Save your travel and entry money in hopes that the situation will change soon. Or just enjoy a very expensive BS session with your friends at Indy and other races.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Challengers and Mustangs in their own class, for one weekend at least:

http://www.nhradiv1.com/content/divn...7200&zoneid=12

August 30, 2011



P C Richard & Son presents

American Muscle Stock Eliminator Class

Heads Up Racing



October 13-16, 2011

PA Dutch Classic Presented by Sony/PCRichard.com

Maple Grove, PA



Designation – AM/S

Index - 10.50



Mustang and Drag Pack cars will run in a different class for the class eliminations runoff.



These cars will stay in that class for event eliminations after class runoff



Weight for this event will be different from published NHRA class guide.



These runs will not count for the AHFS system



– Invitational – Pre-Entry and acceptance required – No Gate Entries

Pre Enter to – blang@nhra.com - Technical questions to rcampbell@nhra



$500 Winner - $250 Runner up

plus a $500 PC Richard & Son Gift Certificate to the winner, $250 Gift Certificate to the runner-up and a $100 Gift Certificate to each semi-finalist.



Event Funds provided by

Gary Richard – PC Richard and Son

Jack Matyas – Bethlehem Auto Sales

Al Smyth – Porta Tree

Kent Hanley – Reivis Financial

Anthony Bongiovanni – Micro Strategies



American Muscle Stock Class Heads-Up Racing



The following combinations to be permitted to compete in a heads-up eliminator – with invitation

Min Wt w/driver

Auto Man

08 Ford Mustang 330/425 3550 3730

10 Ford Mustang 330/435 3695 3770

10 Ford Mustang 428/375 3080 2980

12 Ford Mustang 330/450 3725 3800



09 Dodge Challenger 370/385 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 370/390 3200 3100

10 Dodge Challenger 392/375 3200 3100

11 Dodge Challenger 512/450 3590 3490

Just another way to keep the new cars from getting hit with the AHFS.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Just another way to keep the new cars from getting hit with the AHFS.

Maybe a light will go off in someones head and the news will travel to Glendora?
Nah not in this lifetime with the present regieme.After all,the index races that Pat ran should have given someone a clue.