What's wrong with Stock?

[Jeff Stout]

Now that the older cars ran their heart out and received a gift for the effort it now makes the old cars further away (under index) from qualifying. Some were .5-7 behind new cars and now .8 to 1.00 behind. Not a good feeling Im sure. Any new vehicle falls into x category until a time period (3-5 years) and then can run each other and then be classified into proper class at that time especially when the wrong HP is always going to be given from the start. Something like when the FI cars were sent into their own class and then brought back.This would go for ANY new vehicle introduced into the classification guide. That way things can get into line better without so much ill will from the older type cars. New cars are great and I like them, but play fair.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

OK, so we got Indy fixed. Shoot NHRA, Shoot all the FS people, Shoot the Hot Dog Stands, they were terrible, Burn the AHFS, Present these 486 ideas to NHRA, but wait, we shot them. Let Bruce have his way and make NHRA dissappear and we won't have a sanction. We can just race each with shoe polish. Maybe we need to vote on it, but wait, who can vote? Drivers, probably; Owners, probably; Keyboard racers; why not. Maybe we need the Chuck Rayburn rule; if you don't have a car or haven't raced in 2 years, you got no vote. I know; let's go back to 1958 (my first race). Street tires 4" wide on a good day, mufflers, take the hub caps off, take the spare out and jack, who needs scales, any fuel that will fire, sleep under the race car you drove to the track, always run in pairs so a chain will get both cars home. Or maybe everyone should have a 69 Camaro which you can buy completely new in parts, and I bet you can't build it for the price of a new car. I think someone on here said there were 71 new cars at Indy, I wonder how many new 69 Camaro's were there. Now, how about a new thread on what to do with the 23 or so other races. Sure the FS needs some attention, but never throw out the baby with the bathwater which seems to be the theme here. I have some ideas (I always got some ideas), but I ain't going on this thread. Too many Great Whites here for this seal to swim in.

Sounds like we got you all fired up here today, Big Guy.
You got me a little confused though...I hadn't raced in four years, but I DID race once this year, but I don't own a Stocker right now. Well yes I do, but it's not complete yet, so you see where my confuson lies.

It doesn't much matter to me personally anyway. I have no agenda. I'm just offering suggestions for the good of the sport. As far as I'm concerned, NHRA ruined Stock Eliminator in about 1988 anyway.
If I decide to go to Indy next time, I won't be too worried about getting in the eliminator.

I don't want you to be upset any more today, so I can take my 1/2 vote and leave y'all alone now..It's beer :30 now anyway, isn't it?

[boxmotorsports]

Check out the new horsepower ratings after Indy. Those additional ratings should shuffle some of those new cars around.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Lyn Smith

I've got a idea and it is pretty simple.At Indy everyone who is entered runs in the eliminator.Now all you have to worry about is getting enough grading points to get entered before it is full.

I can't believe somebody hasn't responded to you yet with the proverbial phrase........."Hey DUDE,you need to work on your car!"

[Jim Cimarolli]

Originally Posted by Lyn Smith

I've got a idea and it is pretty simple.At Indy everyone who is entered runs in the eliminator.Now all you have to worry about is getting enough grading points to get entered before it is full.

Sounds like one heck of a good idea Lyn, whats one more round?

[Jeff Teuton]

Mark, it went the way it is when NHRA did away with winning class and the class winners ran for the eliminator. But without the change to a bracket race format, Stock would have about 20 cars at Indy as opposed to 28 in B/SA (somewhere around there) and nearly 200 total. And as you say your time ended in 87 and I'm sure most folks that remember have the year it ended for them. One thing about Stock and Super Stock is they are dynamic eliminators and will continue to change. The insurance industry tried to kill them in the late 60's and the early 70's, and then emissions took over in the 70's thru the 80's and the EFI and Engine Management revived the high performance models as they are today and run fast on that stuff called gasoline. So what we are seeing in the racing side is a natural based on the factories search for sales on the reviving High Performance. But then some people prefer the old Omni to the Challenger SRT. I think it is great that NHRA is embracing the new cars as opposed to NASCAR with the clone with stickers with all the same motors and ticket sales down 38%. Sure some adjustment to the program for Indy will be in line. I can think of a few ways and I will send that to NHRA in a week or two after I get rested. Bowling Green and Indy hard on an old guy. Or we could just chootem. Alligator season is the month of Sept, so let us know and we will get some Cajuns to handle that.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Marty Knox

What's wrong with Stock? The fact that someone who's smart, and willing to work hard, but can't spend a lot of money has little or no chance of winning.

Marty -- I have to disagree with you on this one - almost everyone in the 64 first round pairs ( except for a few heads-up races) had the same chance of winning Indy - no wallet in the world can buy you a good light or make you run the number - and thats what it takes ! ! !

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Lyn Smith

I've got a idea and it is pretty simple.At Indy everyone who is entered runs in the eliminator.Now all you have to worry about is getting enough grading points to get entered before it is full.

Thats really not a bad idea......I'd vote for it .

[Bruce Noland]

Almost everyone? Ah it's OK let nhra & oems have their way they only cheated a few people. Total BS. Nobody should be cheated.

[Greg Hill]

I got the kind of replies I expected from everyone, but one thing is for sure . The old muscle cars are way cooler than the new ones!