Super Stock Production ??

[Ed Wright]

He picked a 2bl, why? Didn't want to run the 4 bl cars heads up?

[Michael Kilduff]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

He picked a 2bl, why? Didn't want to run the 4 bl cars heads up?

Ed,

Mark has run the 2 barrell set up for a long time. He had-and I think still has-a beautiful '69 Mustang that he has run with the 2 barrell and I am pretty sure he ran it as a regular SS back in the 80's and 90's. I wish I could remember exactly what configuration he raced back then, but I doubt he is hiding from anyone. He has always been fast.
And,FWIW, when the '69 was painted candy apple red it was imo the best looking race car on the planet. Last time I saw it is was white. He always did HUGE wheelies with that car. I wish I had some pics of it back then.

Maybe Terry can shed some more light on this. I wonder if back in the day the 2 bbl Ford had a big carb for the application? Seems like that was why he built it but I can't recall. I was just a kid handing out ET slips and selling race gas at the track back then.

[danny waters sr]

2 Bbl set up this past year===
UNION, S.C. - Final order after 2 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the Summit Racing Equipment Pro-Am Tour, Raiders Division 9, event at Union County Dragway:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 2210 GT/E Ronnie Courtney, Johnston SC, '05 Cavalier 6.197 7.00 -0.803
2 9428 PGA-2 Mark Young, Wake Forest NC, '93 Mustang 6.367 7.15 -0.783
3 903 PE-1 Wayne Allison, Jonesville SC, '64 Corvette 5.844 6.60 -0.756
4 3321 GT/HA Michael Volkman, Moon PA, '00 Sebring 6.555 7.30 -0.745
5 991 PBA-1 Cam Tingen, Henderson NC, '95 Achieva 5.773 6.50 -0.727
6 208 GT/K Jimmy Spell, Stedman NC, '90 Camaro 6.734 7.35 -0.616
7 2103 PE-1 Jerry Jennings, Landrum SC, '00 Grand Prix 6.097 6.60 -0.503
8 2909 SS/JA Mark Lewis, Inman SC, '94 Camaro 6.873 7.30 -0.427
9 954 PFA-1 Richard Alford, Raleigh NC, '63 Nova 6.402 6.80 -0.398
10 2104 PEA-1 Stephen Jennings, Landrum SC, '69 Camaro 6.304 6.70 -0.396
11 9806 PEA-2 Gil Carty Jr., Wytheville VA, '67 Nova 6.702 6.90 -0.198
12 988 PFA-2 Brandon Peterson, Randleman NC, '67 Nova 6.878 7.05 -0.172
13 2366 GT/DA Eddie Bolton, Mechanicsville MD, '84 Dayto 6.876 7.00 -0.124
14 946 PD-1 Steve Johnson, Spartanburg SC, '66 Nova 16.992 6.55 10.442
# 2 , 11 , and 12 all 2 bbl set ups

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Michael Kilduff

Ed,

Mark has run the 2 barrell set up for a long time. He had-and I think still has-a beautiful '69 Mustang that he has run with the 2 barrell and I am pretty sure he ran it as a regular SS back in the 80's and 90's. I wish I could remember exactly what configuration he raced back then, but I doubt he is hiding from anyone. He has always been fast.
And,FWIW, when the '69 was painted candy apple red it was imo the best looking race car on the planet. Last time I saw it is was white. He always did HUGE wheelies with that car. I wish I had some pics of it back then.

Maybe Terry can shed some more light on this. I wonder if back in the day the 2 bbl Ford had a big carb for the application? Seems like that was why he built it but I can't recall. I was just a kid handing out ET slips and selling race gas at the track back then.

He used to run the old car as a 428 SS/GA for years back in the day. Parts became hard to get and the Alum. heads had not become avaliable yet from Edelbrock so he started using a production style engine. He broke quite a lot of the rare 428 stuff as aftermarket valves and rods were not legal then like they are today. The production combos could use all of the good stuff from Ford and the aftermarket. All of the 2 barrel production cars were restricteded to a 500 cfm holley in the beginning. Some of the "Slick" carb companies found a way to make them flow much more (Mark Young was one of the first to use one) so IHRA just made them all run a restrictor plate after it was discovered and allowed the carb guys to do what ever they wanted to the 2 barrel holleys. If the restrictor plate measured OK it didnt matter anymore what they did to the carb. You can only shove so much wind thru 2 small holes that was checked for legality. Marks bad DQ was getting caught with a delay box many many years ago.....LOL. He was suspended for quite awhile in both NHRA and IHRA but has played the game straight ever since as far as I know. I think he learned his lesson the hard way.

[Ed Wright]

But why even have a 2 bl class? That is AHRA (Arkansas Hillbilly Racing Association) dumb. If anybody had 4 bls from running SS, why would they put a 2 bl carb on one?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

But why even have a 2 bl class? That is AHRA (Arkansas Hillbilly Racing Association) dumb. If anybody had 4 bls from running SS, why would they put a 2 bl carb on one?

Its a shoot off of AHRA beginning in 1971. There were 3 classes in the beginning. Multi carbs (or factory FI), the single 4, and the 2 barrel. Partisapation fell off to next to nothing in the muliti carb classes and was dropped many years ago. Even most of the Hemi guys showed up running a 4 barrel on their Hemi Cudas, Darts, and Challengers. The other 2 classes stayed in the rule book over the years. At one time the 2 barrel class was going to be dropped but to many complained because some of the "OTHER" engines (and we had a lot of different combos back in the day) such as a 455 Olds, Pontiacs, AMC engines, Buick, etc. could be competitive as a 2 barrel eaiser than wth a 4 barrel due to the lack of good heads other than the factory iron parts. Not all modifed engines were big or small block chevys back in the day.

[Michael Kilduff]

Terry,

Thanks for the clarification. I am familiar with the 500CFM rule for 2 bbls in Production SS, but maybe you can recall better than I can-

I am thinking Mark ran the '69 as a GT car for a while in the late 1980's, maybe as a 302 2bbl or something. I could be wrong about that.

But something I do remember just like it happened 2 minutes ago. I was working at Coastal Plains Dragway and the NHRA had a divisional race there in '86 or '87.. I remember when Mark pulled into the water with the '69 the announcer saying he had a 2 bbl on the car. I also remember being a little disappointed that the probability of more huge wheelies by that car would be a thing of the past.
When he left the line on that run the wheels were up so high I coulda walked underneath the car and changed the oil ,lol.

Ed,
I don't know why the 2 bbls are classified in IHRA Prod SS. Maybe it was lobbied for in regards to parts breakage or something else. I will say this though, IHRA Production SS cars are totally cool!

[Donnie Moore Jr.]

Hey Terry, if I remember correctly it was ss/p1 2-x4bbl
ss/p2 1-4bbl
ss/p3 2-2bbl
ss/4 was factory (nhra) SS
which back in the day was called formula ss.. I remember Dad running all of the classes , he a ran 427 in 68 coupe I remember those awesome looking braswell carbs sitting on top sheetmetal intakes ...pretty much the same looking intakes we run today in regular nhra SS

[X-TECH MAN]

P.S. One more thing about SS/Production classes. In the beginning you were NOT allowed to port and polish the heads. You were only allowed to bowl blend and match the intake port 1/2 inch kind of like your old S/M heads. When all of the different Alum stuff (Heads) came out and the past tech directors of old made the stuff legal it made almost anything other than a chevy or a Hemi obsolete for the classes. Now days you wont see anything other than the newer Ford stuff and Chevy and Hemi stuff in the classes. Modern tecnology like FI engines and the DP's and Blown Mustangs in stock and super stock today. I guess the 2 barrel class has just been allowed to survive for to long. We cant go back.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Donnie Moore Jr.

Hey Terry, if I remember correctly it was ss/p1 2-x4bbl
ss/p2 1-4bbl
ss/p3 2-2bbl
ss/4 was factory (nhra) SS
which back in the day was called formula ss.. I remember Dad running all of the classes , he a ran 427 in 68 coupe I remember those awesome looking braswell carbs sitting on top sheetmetal intakes ...pretty much the same looking intakes we run today in regular nhra SS

You are correct but in the beginning the production S/S'ers (Formula stock) and regular super stocks were 2 seperate eliminators. This was around 71 when I first started with IHRA. SS/P1 could be 3X2's, 2 4's, or factory FI and formula SS was the correct name for the classes. The name of the class and what number depending on the carbs has been scrambled around several times since 71.