Stocker roll cage bar beyond firewall rule......

[Tom keedle]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK, so put a STOCK 88 S-10 manual box in it! You don't have to modify ANYTHING like you did to put in the Vega box(that has a reputation for breaking). You could have even used the original pitman arm! OH, it weighs 5-6 pounds more than the Vega box. So for a few pounds on the nose of YOUR car, let's change the rules for everybody!

or buy a repop from flaming river/mullins/borgeson....and you can get them in aluminum,too

[Karl Owens]

stock S-10 box wont work and it virtually the same anyway, my pitman arm is modified by Ed Quay to drop the entire steering system to clear my gigantic oil pan. The Firebird is a Super Stock/10.5 heads up car. Im just expressing my opinion on safety. My present stocker has a steering rack and doesn't run fast enough to even really need a helmet.

[Tom keedle]

Originally Posted by Karl Owens

Ive never seen a rack break. .

I see 'em now and then broke from street driving


(I work for an independent repair shop)

[Karl Owens]

it really doesn't matter if the box is new or not, one of the ones I saw break was a Flaming River unit on a G body Monte Carlo.

[Karl Owens]

Originally Posted by Tom keedle

I see 'em now and then broke from street driving


(I work for an independent repair shop)

I actually broke the rack on my 93 Mustang but that was my own fault hammering in a solid aluminum bushing that probably was a little too big OD

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Karl Owens

stock S-10 box wont work and it virtually the same anyway, my pitman arm is modified by Ed Quay to drop the entire steering system to clear my gigantic oil pan. The Firebird is a Super Stock/10.5 heads up car. Im just expressing my opinion on safety.

So YOU intentionally had a modification made to YOUR car that puts it and you into a dangerous situation(and me if I'm racing you)to clear YOUR gigantic oil pan. Well, here's a News Flash, modify the oil pan and put an S-10 box on it if you're all that concerned about safety!
OH BTW, a Vega box and an S-10 box ARE NOT virtually the same anyway,shape or form!

[Karl Owens]

Ed Quay modified all the steering components and even installs a steering damper because otherwise the steering wheel will jerk out of your hand after coming down from a wheelie.

The only real difference is the S10 box is direct fit where a power steering box was. Ive never seen a Vega box break but I have seen 2 S10 and 1 Flaming River break.

[Bob Mulry]

Great idea..............

Just turn the world upside-down so that an 8 second, 157 MPH stocker, which doesn't even belong in stock is safer.............

If a Stocker can run over 135 MPH it should be a Super Stocker.....

Do any real Stockers run over 135 MPH?????????????

[Bill Diehl]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK, so put a STOCK 88 S-10 manual box in it! You don't have to modify ANYTHING like you did to put in the Vega box(that has a reputation for breaking). You could have even used the original pitman arm! OH, it weighs 5-6 pounds more than the Vega box. So for a few pounds on the nose of YOUR car, let's change the rules for everybody!

I don't think he is concerned about weight...his car runs 160+ I would bet that part of his tuning routine he adjusts or "ADDS" weight to the front..

X amount of total car weight with 300 or 400 hp is one thing, but the same weight in the same car with 1000, 1200 or 1500+ hp is another, I see his point

But, what do I know

[Bill Diehl]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

Great idea..............

Just turn the world upside-down so that an 8 second, 157 MPH stocker, which doesn't even belong in stock is safer.............

If a Stocker can run over 135 MPH it should be a Super Stocker.....

Do any real Stockers run over 135 MPH?????????????

Yes

and doing it on 9" tires within the rear suspension rules of stock eliminatoris an accomplishment.