Tru start poll Division 6 - Page 5

HandOverFist · 11-23-2016, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSale

Double red heads up
right -0.010 W
left -0.012 L

Double red handicap (current)
right leaves first -0.010 L
left leaves second -0.012 W

Double red handicap (TruStart)
right leaves first -0.010 W
left leaves second -0.012 L

Handicap becomes as fair as heads up.

I don't see it Dale. In a heads up race the first foul would be the loser...only in handicap races would TruStart come into play. If this is not the case then I see a lot of legitimate gripes coming.

goinbroke2 · 11-23-2016, 04:37 PM

In a heads up race, the first to move would red light the worst. It has to, cannot be any other way.

With TruStart, In a handicap race, regardless of what the dial is, the worse red light loses.

15 sec car leaves the line and no red or green light is on, 5 seconds later the 10 second car leaves the line and either;
1) both green come on and it's a race,
2) red light comes on the slower car giving the faster car the green
3) red light comes on the faster car giving the slower car the green

The only thing I don't know is if they are both red, does the least red go green to show he won the round or do they both go red but the win light comes on in the least offending lane?

Regardless, nobody will see any difference other than instead of the green coming on when the first car leaves, it will wait until the second car leaves......and the faster cars don't get "freebees".

west coast · 11-23-2016, 05:06 PM

You guy's are making this to complicated. It is very simple. Re-watch the video and reread Peter's post.

Thanks Peter for chiming in.

Now back to the Poll Canadians please chime in also.

Mike Mans · 11-23-2016, 05:46 PM

Personally - I think all of us that built any cars like to experience any type of "advantage" we may have. That being said, I can PERSONALLY say that in the last 18 months I have red lighted more than I care to admit - and there was nobody in the other lane red-lighting so I lost the races fair and square on my own. And I can't remember the last time I've been chased - so it made zero difference in my race outcomes. As a race promoter or organization, I can completely understand the view to make this a standard practice to employ TruStart. As an individual competitor trying to win, I am fine with the system as it is today - but I won't race any less if this rule were to change.

It would be very interesting to see a simple stat of just how many times in a full season of Stock or Super Stock and see how many race outcomes would even be affected by this? I would bet it is less than 5% of races. This really is not a common thing in my opinion to see double red-lights. Partially because faster cars can many times see the red light shining on the other side of the tree and I can guess that leads to the faster car drivers "missing" the tree from that distraction. Just a guess.

Mike Mans

Toby Lang · 11-23-2016, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by west coast

You guy's are making this too complicated.

Really. lol Get the slide rule out!

Tom keedle · 11-23-2016, 06:18 PM

hey, I gots a question.....what if you have 2 cars, one dials 15.30 and the other dial an 8.80 but both redlight at say -.007?
what happens?

Toby Lang · 11-23-2016, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom keedle

hey, I gots a question.....what if you have 2 cars, one dials 15.30 and the other dial an 8.80 but both redlight at say -.007?
what happens?

They go to the next decimal. If it's still a tie, they go the the next one etc... I think the clocks go out to nine decimal places.

Tom keedle · 11-23-2016, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

They go to the next decimal. If it's still a tie, they go the the next one etc... I think the clocks go out to nine decimal places.

ASSUME that it's a tie all the way out, is it still a good race? as in the ET end of it?

west coast · 11-23-2016, 06:37 PM

Here is a better way to look at it. You control your own destiny at the starting line don't go RED and Tru start will not affect the outcome of your race.

Is that simple enough for every one.

Neil Smedley · 11-23-2016, 08:32 PM

Sorry James....I don`t see where thats a better way to look at it......Vegas casinos got rich because you have to turn your cards up before the dealer has to take the last card...You bust and you lose.....Over the years NHRA has had 2 obligations to the racers..First was safety and second was to provide a level playing field..As I see it they have addressed both and tru-start is the next logical progression...

11-23-2016, 04:37 PM	#42
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 706 Likes: 589 Liked 174 Times in 60 Posts	Re: Tru start poll Division 6 In a heads up race, the first to move would red light the worst. It has to, cannot be any other way. With TruStart, In a handicap race, regardless of what the dial is, the worse red light loses. 15 sec car leaves the line and no red or green light is on, 5 seconds later the 10 second car leaves the line and either; 1) both green come on and it's a race, 2) red light comes on the slower car giving the faster car the green 3) red light comes on the faster car giving the slower car the green The only thing I don't know is if they are both red, does the least red go green to show he won the round or do they both go red but the win light comes on in the least offending lane? Regardless, nobody will see any difference other than instead of the green coming on when the first car leaves, it will wait until the second car leaves......and the faster cars don't get "freebees".

11-23-2016, 05:06 PM	#43
west coast Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Rainy Washington Posts: 577 Likes: 4 Liked 129 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Tru start poll Division 6 You guy's are making this to complicated. It is very simple. Re-watch the video and reread Peter's post. Thanks Peter for chiming in. Now back to the Poll Canadians please chime in also. __________________ James Boyce 6052 K/SA Stock National record holder 2015,2018,2 times in 2022,2023

11-23-2016, 05:46 PM	#44
Mike Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 177 Likes: 21 Liked 297 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Tru start poll Division 6 Personally - I think all of us that built any cars like to experience any type of "advantage" we may have. That being said, I can PERSONALLY say that in the last 18 months I have red lighted more than I care to admit - and there was nobody in the other lane red-lighting so I lost the races fair and square on my own. And I can't remember the last time I've been chased - so it made zero difference in my race outcomes. As a race promoter or organization, I can completely understand the view to make this a standard practice to employ TruStart. As an individual competitor trying to win, I am fine with the system as it is today - but I won't race any less if this rule were to change. It would be very interesting to see a simple stat of just how many times in a full season of Stock or Super Stock and see how many race outcomes would even be affected by this? I would bet it is less than 5% of races. This really is not a common thing in my opinion to see double red-lights. Partially because faster cars can many times see the red light shining on the other side of the tree and I can guess that leads to the faster car drivers "missing" the tree from that distraction. Just a guess. Mike Mans

11-23-2016, 06:18 PM	#46
Tom keedle Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Berthoud, Coloraduh Posts: 695 Likes: 13 Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Tru start poll Division 6 hey, I gots a question.....what if you have 2 cars, one dials 15.30 and the other dial an 8.80 but both redlight at say -.007? what happens? __________________ without losers,winning means nothing.

11-23-2016, 06:37 PM	#49
west coast Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Rainy Washington Posts: 577 Likes: 4 Liked 129 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Tru start poll Division 6 Here is a better way to look at it. You control your own destiny at the starting line don't go RED and Tru start will not affect the outcome of your race. Is that simple enough for every one. __________________ James Boyce 6052 K/SA Stock National record holder 2015,2018,2 times in 2022,2023

11-23-2016, 08:32 PM	#50
Neil Smedley Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 163 Likes: 32 Liked 22 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Tru start poll Division 6 Sorry James....I don`t see where thats a better way to look at it......Vegas casinos got rich because you have to turn your cards up before the dealer has to take the last card...You bust and you lose.....Over the years NHRA has had 2 obligations to the racers..First was safety and second was to provide a level playing field..As I see it they have addressed both and tru-start is the next logical progression...