Some Englishtown observations.

[Jack Matyas]

[QUOTE=Rich Biebel;514745]Stop bitching.....You can't put a price on a good time...


I was at the very first WCS race at Englishtown.....1966


t's a great facility and needs a freshen up.....but compared to other dumps It's still great. One of the first super tracks...

8 and 9 second stockers on 9" tires.....and you expect perfect conditions every run in 100degree heat.......that's hysterical...



the payout problem is nothing new at all and will not change anytime soon for the better...

If all you care about is money your in the wrong sport...


/QUOTE]

Rich - I'm not as old as you - but I won the 1974 WCS at E-town and it paid $200 to win and no sticker money - round one had 129 cars .On top of that I drove my racer there .And I never did get the trophy - it's still in the mail !!!!

My oh my how things have changed - it's still a super track but I agree some lipstick would be nice .And even with the high temperatures I expect to hook - everywhere ! ! We all paid our entry fees expecting a workable track surface .

[Signman]

Originally Posted by keith ohanesian

this guy is just bitter.

x100

[Rich Biebel]

Jack I do understand and probably should have not sounded so accepting of poor conditions. We all spend a fortune to race and at this level expect the best conditions. Unfortunately the powers in charge often don't seem to get things as they should be. I don't know the answer other than it's money, time and people that need to work hard at making it work. The new high powered Stockers are great but they need and deserve a good track prep as everyone does. I was not aware of the problem with traction. Carry on....

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

He's out of junior dragsters soon and wanted a bigger dragster, I told him they're too expensive and you have to be in Super Pro here which is 11.50 and faster. His next question was thought provoking.."Why, why do you have to go so fast in a dragster, why can't you start out say 12 seconds?" Hundred reasons why but the point was valid, we made juniors for kids to rejuvenate the sport..why not give them (or anybody) the next stepping stone and allow 12 sec dragsters?
Yes I said he can drive my mustang in Stock elim but that's not the point. He grew up in dragsters and wants to continue in dragsters but I don't have the pockets to do it.

I've seen a few guys drop a bone stock 350 into a dragster and run very low 11s. I think you'd need to try pretty hard to get a dragster into the 12s.

An older dragster chassis and junkyard motor will run Super Pro and be vastly cheaper than any half-decent door car. Even without the junkyard motor route, a friend was running a fairly heavy S-10 into the very low 11s with a $700 parts-store short block.

1320racer has his way of saying things, but he's usually not far off. I started racing as a fairly young kid, at 17. I'm pushing 40 now, and I'm still one of the 'kids' in the staging lanes!

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

even with the high temperatures I expect to hook - everywhere ! ! We all paid our entry fees expecting a workable track surface .

and that's not what you got!

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

1320racer has his way of saying things, but he's usually not far off. I started racing as a fairly young kid, at 17. I'm pushing 40 now, and I'm still one of the 'kids' in the staging lanes!

Lenny...KNOWS!

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

I've seen a few guys drop a bone stock 350 into a dragster and run very low 11s. I think you'd need to try pretty hard to get a dragster into the 12s.

An older dragster chassis and junkyard motor will run Super Pro and be vastly cheaper than any half-decent door car. Even without the junkyard motor route, a friend was running a fairly heavy S-10 into the very low 11s with a $700 parts-store short block.

1320racer has his way of saying things, but he's usually not far off. I started racing as a fairly young kid, at 17. I'm pushing 40 now, and I'm still one of the 'kids' in the staging lanes!

Oh I agree, just thinking sfi stuff gets more expensive the faster you go. Inline six in a front eng would be slow but cool...and cheap to build. (buy??what is this buy that everyone keeps talking about? lol)
The issue is that the slow cars are footbrakers and once you hit superpro they're running all electronic's and stuff and they are the "best of the best" who have come up through the ranks. To someone starting out, street class is awesome, but for a rail "starter class" would be a slow dragster, As it is now, if you want to run a rail you must be in SP. Stepping into a 9 sec all electronic dragster as a first car isn't probable. Yes I've seen it, but after two years of first round losses they sell it and buy a boat and they say it was a bad experience.

Regardless, this is class racing and this thread's about e-town so I'm done. Just random ramblings...

[ken robinson]

The track prep issues didn't leave you with to many options . If I didn't bracket race there for years , I would have missed the set up to hook it . Every tracks got its issues , many race weekends this year we got the heat wave treatment , not good for us , fans , or start line and its staff . If you leave the tri state area alot of young people like racecars , they tell me it my pit , there just getting started and got no money. The race at dinwittie the stands were loaded . Wheels up radio dose his best to promote the div. races , which I should do little more of in 2017 .[ like taking those car load tickets and handing them out it person at good locations. ]