600 hp small block stocker - Page 4

Jim Hanig · 10-29-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JRyan

Yeah, well at 3365 it has to go low 9.60's in C. I don't care who knows you or who you know, I said, "LEGALLY". That means you don't get to run a 15 to 1 piston with the right Number on it, and a deeper valve relief to support wild .050" specs on a huge cam. That's ONLY six tenths faster that the fastest C/S car so far this year and two tenths faster than the fastest A/S car. Apparently all those guys are stupid.

Jerry

GEEZ Jerry tell them what you really think,but that's about rite.

Jon Sarrett · 10-29-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Once Upon A Time...Many years ago...
There was a very fast 1971 351 Cleveland in Division X...
Got torn down many times and everytime it got torn down, the driver will change the limiter and go another 10th quicker just to make NHRA go crazy.

One day, I got a call from NHRA tech asking me if there was a way or method to shrink cast iron. So, I ask Why?

NHRA had gone and procured a virgin set of Cleveland heads with the same part number used by the offender. They had the cylinder heads prepped with a legal valve job and appropriate parts.

When they poured the runners, the numbers were way smaller than the numbers they had recorded on the racer's cylinder heads. They could not figure out what had taken place since they had also measured the width of the cylinder head to make sure they had not machined the intake and exhaust surfaces excessively to maintain the volume numbers.

Was said car totaled in accident at Speedworld?

astikhossw · 10-29-2014, 09:41 PM

You must be planning on some really high numbered gear ratio to get that monster thur end,with a 30 tire.And i'll be waiting to see and hear this one.

Bill Diehl · 10-29-2014, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by astikhossw

You must be planning on some really high numbered gear ratio to get that monster thur end,with a 30 tire.And i'll be waiting to see and hear this one.

yep, not sure what's going to work but we starting with the 3056ST's (29.5)....I think I did tell you a little about the engine combo several months ago, I might have gave out too much info

69Cobra · 10-29-2014, 11:35 PM

When and where is this car going to make its debut?

JRyan · 10-29-2014, 11:47 PM

Lou,

Yes there are specs for all that. NHRA tech has them and uses them to certify pistons for the accepted list. Although they don't give cc volumes for all flat-top pistons with notches, they do for all the flat-top Clevelands. The Chevy pistons are hit and miss, but if you want to look at the blueprint specs for the 1970 Chevy engines, you'll see lots of volumes for flat-tops. Bill's engine has domes so no valve relief spec would be given, but they have it at NHRA. Whether they'd want to enforce it as a minimum spec for compression or a maximum spec for cam fitment would be up to them. Maybe I should ask NHRA as we run an original Boss 351 Mustang (so you're wrong again Bill as I mentioned our car on one of your first threads). We don't race it MUCH or HARD, because it has the original #'s matching block in it but yeah, you would be hurting our combo.

Jon,

Yep, that's the car. I helped work on it a couple of times when it was up in this area. As far as I know, the replacement version was sold to someone on the East Coast but hasn't been raced since sold.

Jerry

Jerry

Bill Diehl · 10-30-2014, 12:35 AM

My pistons are on the list, but I am having a new set made with some improvements done to them, As far as I am concerned, I can read the book and that is all that matters.. not what somebody "thinks" it says

Jerry, with all due respect and I do admire an all original car, if you are not going to run it hard, you might as well stick to car shows and don't tell me what I can and can't do with mine.

Kris, the car has been sitting in my shop stripped to the bone for several months while I debate which direction I am going with it, most likely its getting the 25.5 treatment so when I get tossed out I will just step it up.

Dave Noll · 10-30-2014, 01:07 AM

Good luck Bill. Go get em.

(from another Cleveland racer)

Jon Sarrett · 10-30-2014, 02:55 PM

Jerry,

I was on the starting line that morning when it happened. Nasty is all I can say! I always wondered what happened to the replacement.

MR DERBY CITY · 10-30-2014, 05:30 PM

Mr. Diehl, I believe you are mistaken. Tomorrow is Halloween. Aprils Fools Day was several months ago. Regards, M.J.

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astikhossw Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: moreno valley Ca Posts: 264 Likes: 2 Liked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: 600 hp small block stocker You must be planning on some really high numbered gear ratio to get that monster thur end,with a 30 tire.And i'll be waiting to see and hear this one. __________________ 7015 E/SA Sooner Storm

10-29-2014, 11:35 PM	#35
69Cobra Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: California, Ky Posts: 667 Likes: 28 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 600 hp small block stocker When and where is this car going to make its debut? __________________ Kris Rachford 69 Cobra 428CJ 4 Speed C/S 3032

10-29-2014, 11:47 PM	#36
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 642 Likes: 28 Liked 104 Times in 28 Posts	Re: 600 hp small block stocker Lou, Yes there are specs for all that. NHRA tech has them and uses them to certify pistons for the accepted list. Although they don't give cc volumes for all flat-top pistons with notches, they do for all the flat-top Clevelands. The Chevy pistons are hit and miss, but if you want to look at the blueprint specs for the 1970 Chevy engines, you'll see lots of volumes for flat-tops. Bill's engine has domes so no valve relief spec would be given, but they have it at NHRA. Whether they'd want to enforce it as a minimum spec for compression or a maximum spec for cam fitment would be up to them. Maybe I should ask NHRA as we run an original Boss 351 Mustang (so you're wrong again Bill as I mentioned our car on one of your first threads). We don't race it MUCH or HARD, because it has the original #'s matching block in it but yeah, you would be hurting our combo. Jon, Yep, that's the car. I helped work on it a couple of times when it was up in this area. As far as I know, the replacement version was sold to someone on the East Coast but hasn't been raced since sold. Jerry Jerry

10-30-2014, 12:35 AM	#37
Bill Diehl Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 311 Likes: 2 Liked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Re: 600 hp small block stocker My pistons are on the list, but I am having a new set made with some improvements done to them, As far as I am concerned, I can read the book and that is all that matters.. not what somebody "thinks" it says Jerry, with all due respect and I do admire an all original car, if you are not going to run it hard, you might as well stick to car shows and don't tell me what I can and can't do with mine. Kris, the car has been sitting in my shop stripped to the bone for several months while I debate which direction I am going with it, most likely its getting the 25.5 treatment so when I get tossed out I will just step it up. Last edited by Bill Diehl; 10-30-2014 at 12:43 AM.

10-30-2014, 01:07 AM	#38
Dave Noll Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Div. 6, Eastern, WA Posts: 694 Likes: 2,263 Liked 220 Times in 105 Posts	Re: 600 hp small block stocker Good luck Bill. Go get em. (from another Cleveland racer) __________________ Dave Noll, E/FS ,L/SA 6526

10-30-2014, 02:55 PM	#39
Jon Sarrett Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sullivan, OH Posts: 302 Likes: 678 Liked 136 Times in 43 Posts	Re: 600 hp small block stocker Jerry, I was on the starting line that morning when it happened. Nasty is all I can say! I always wondered what happened to the replacement.

10-30-2014, 05:30 PM	#40
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,338 Likes: 867 Liked 6,664 Times in 1,296 Posts	Re: 600 hp small block stocker Mr. Diehl, I believe you are mistaken. Tomorrow is Halloween. Aprils Fools Day was several months ago. Regards, M.J.