Stocker Cylinder Heads....

[Dean Feiock]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

One of my best friends, who is a really good cylinder head guy, said the worst thing they did was to allow porting in Super Stock.

Being new to this sport, only ten years invested, please excuse my ignorance.

I was under the assumption that Super Stock was created BECAUSE there was porting going on in Stock years ago. So they created SS so there was a place to put the cars with ported heads. If that's the case, wouldn't that imply that porting has been allowed in SS since it's inception?

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

If you can port, you can cover up almost any amount of welding, within reason. You don't even have to resort to acid, or media blasting, anymore.

Welding and the resulting cover up is already happening.

[Dean Feiock]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

My proposal would be to keep the CCs intact for the heads as a spec
Allow porting, but no filling ( weld, epoxy, etc) allow intake port matching, but no filling.

You just sent a chill down the spine of every head porter that offers cover up services.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock

Being new to this sport, only ten years invested, please excuse my ignorance.

I was under the assumption that Super Stock was created BECAUSE there was porting going on in Stock years ago. So they created SS so there was a place to put the cars with ported heads. If that's the case, wouldn't that imply that porting has been allowed in SS since it's inception?



Welding and the resulting cover up is already happening.

No, porting and polishing was not allowed to begin with in Super Stock. That came later, when they decided it was too hard to catch.

Of course welding and covering up is happening. The problem is, if every time someone cheats, the rules are changed to legitimize that cheat, sooner or later all the rules are changed, and the class no longer exists in the intended form.

[69Cobra]

Let's think about this for a minute. Let's say I'm a cylinder head guy and I have a C&C program for a super stock head which is the same cc's for stock. Let's say that after years of working on this I have the best possible runner design you can have for this combo. If I can get the NHRA legal aftermarket aluminum head in a pro port configuration all I would have to do is throw it in my C&C machine and bam!!! Its done. You have what looks like an untouched runner (after cleaning up the C&C marks I guess) and I can now pretty much mass produce this thing. The only catch is getting the casting in a pro port configuration. If I can't get the head in a pro port then I fill in the area's that need filled and then send it through my C&C machine. Am I out of my rocker here or can this pretty much be done now with any aftermarket aluminum cylinder head?

[Run to Rund]

Today's Stock = 1970s SS
today's SS = 1970s Modified Production
What's next?

[69Cobra]

Originally Posted by Run to Rund

Today's Stock = 1970s SS
today's SS = 1970s Modified Production
What's next?

Well you could say today's Comp is like the '70s Pro Stock but they are probably way more advanced than '70 pro stock. Maybe like the 2000's pro stock.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Run to Rund

Today's Stock = 1970s SS
today's SS = 1970s Modified Production
What's next?

I would have liked to had my present SS heads on my old C/SM Camaro. A little media blasting and what we had then could have been a poor set of present day Stocker heads. The aluminiun heads have an advantage there.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I would have liked to had my present SS heads on my old C/SM Camaro. A little media blasting and what we had then could have been a poor set of present day Stocker heads. The aluminiun heads have an advantage there.

I would have loved to have current "Stocker" heads on our SBC S/S cars back in the 70's,
Valve springs and all !

[BlueOval Ralph]

The W-2 heads that were run in B/SM and C/SM in 76, 77 & 78 were ported and shot peened for Mopar/Hamburger but in Mopar boxes and sent backed to warehouse and sent out to racers. I was helping Fadely in 77 & 78 at Spring Nationals Jim Dale and Jim Fagan sent all the B/SM Fords to tear down at Mayo's place to check out the heads NHRA CC'd the intake ports and measured the ports with dividers and snap garages It was Mike Urley Jim Ellien Jim Stevens and Fadely of the 4 Fadely's were the smallest in volume and bowl dia and short turn height. As I remember the had FJ Smith there with his Chevy.

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I would have liked to had my present SS heads on my old C/SM Camaro. A little media blasting and what we had then could have been a poor set of present day Stocker heads. The aluminiun heads have an advantage there.

[Wade_Owens]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

If you can port, you can cover up almost any amount of welding, within reason. You don't even have to resort to acid, or media blasting, anymore.

Alan, this is being done now. NHRA has a chemical spray that will detect any form of welding. It has already been used in a Tech teardown situation.

Wade