ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers - Page 2

Michael Beard · 05-30-2008, 08:29 AM

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Great start with lowering the indexes, most racers are holding 1-3 tenths, this is suppose to be a performance class.

If you lower all the indexes by one full second, the qualifying order doesn't change. It's all relative.

Jack Matyas · 05-30-2008, 08:37 AM

Michael -Very good point, however if the indexes were lowered a few tenths we could go back to flat out class racing and stop sandbagging .............

Mike Pearson · 05-30-2008, 09:19 AM

I dont know about the rest of you But my combo has taken 2 HP hits in the last two seasons. It is not one of the obscure under factored combos like Bob Dennis runs. It is a 350 295/318 motor. now you want to shove another 2 tenths on us. That is the dumbist thing I have heard in a while. First of all that will not do anything for sand bagging. That has always been going on. If the sand baggers would just run their cars to there potential then the AFHS would work in its present state. The problem is not with the AFHS. its with the drivers that try to manipulate it by brake light racing. If you like hitting your brakes go circle track racing. The only thing lowering the indexes will accomplish is to keep new racers from building cars and starting to race S/SS. I know when I started running super stock it took quite a few years to make my car run consistently under the index. I guess all the old timers forget what it was like when yhey started out. Right now the car counts are way down. we need some real enhancements instead of something that will hurt our type of racing

Don Himes · 05-30-2008, 10:27 AM

It looks like some of you are looking at this the wrong way. Back when stock began you could build a competitive car for $5000. Then NHRA enhanced our butts with all this aftermarket stuff so the manufacturerers could make money from us. Now a competitive stocker cost over $20,000 to build (yeah I know, a higher class car is well over $50,000). And it's not even a stocker anymore. They're more like modified production used to be. The best part is that the payouts are very close to what we got back when. Everyone comes on here and pisses and moans about the NHRA enhancments. Well, this is the same thing, only this time we're getting it from our own people. These 2 rules in particular may have a lot of support. But you may not like the next round of enhancements, and then we'll see the crap hit the fan, right? If we have to go to committee members with our conserns, then the only thing being discussed is what all the whinners and sqeeky wheels want discussed. The committee's responsibility is to all racers, and they must present issues to everyone or this whole thing isn't going to work correctly.
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION..................Yeah, I'm ready for the revolution!!!!!!!!

Bruce Noland · 05-30-2008, 10:47 AM

Revolution? Ha! nhra loves revolutions! They'll swat you like a lonely fly. Great guys - I'm sure!

Taking .20 off the indexes does nothing to the racers who are not as fast as others. We are runnning in 80 to 90 car fields at nationals; with the exception of Indy.

Harry 6674 · 05-30-2008, 10:57 AM

They only cost that much if you sit in front of the TV and write checks. How about going out to the shop and opening the tool box and firing up the welder? Cost really goes down and it has to be more fun. Sounds like the council is doing what it was designed to do, bring some racing back to stock.

Dick Butler · 05-30-2008, 11:06 AM

Alan, Well said.

5919 SSKA · 05-30-2008, 11:12 AM

Would you still need to run -.500 under to win Class?

Jack McCarthy · 05-30-2008, 11:52 AM

first of all... i cannot find fredjohnston on a current qualifying sheet ???

second - i (for one) asked & agree with the index reduction... unless you are under 25, or ignorant to the history of the class you race you KNOW nhra last RAISED the indexes (1980something) and since then have been doling out FREE ET with enhancements like the government spends money... if you cant run the index you probably cant change you own oil... besides we all thought it was a done deal last season we even ran off new indexes at ohio valley doorslammers last october but it wasnt an across the board reduction which i think it should be.

third - as far as RULE (not index) changes my hopes were that a sportsman council would squash all the internet whiners and intelligent heads would prevail and STOP changing a rule every week... im tired of everyone who thinks because they want a rule changed (or better yet they already are breaking one and want us to wrap our arms around it) it is thier RIGHT to have the rules fit thier agenda.

last - we have a pretty good group here...it cant be any worse than glendora's bull****.

jack mccarthy

hadtobethere · 05-30-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

first of all... i cannot find fredjohnston on a current qualifying sheet ???

second - i (for one) asked & agree with the index reduction... unless you are under 25, or ignorant to the history of the class you race you KNOW nhra last RAISED the indexes (1980something) and since then have been doling out FREE ET with enhancements like the government spends money... if you cant run the index you probably cant change you own oil... besides we all thought it was a done deal last season we even ran off new indexes at ohio valley doorslammers last october but it wasnt an across the board reduction which i think it should be.

third - as far as RULE (not index) changes my hopes were that a sportsman council would squash all the internet whiners and intelligent heads would prevail and STOP changing a rule every week... im tired of everyone who thinks because they want a rule changed (or better yet they already are breaking one and want us to wrap our arms around it) it is thier RIGHT to have the rules fit thier agenda.

last - we have a pretty good group here...it cant be any worse than glendora's bull****.

jack mccarthy

Well said...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

05-30-2008, 08:37 AM	#12
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,831 Likes: 336 Liked 1,581 Times in 323 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Michael -Very good point, however if the indexes were lowered a few tenths we could go back to flat out class racing and stop sandbagging ............. __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

05-30-2008, 09:19 AM	#13
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,324 Likes: 547 Liked 1,652 Times in 505 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers I dont know about the rest of you But my combo has taken 2 HP hits in the last two seasons. It is not one of the obscure under factored combos like Bob Dennis runs. It is a 350 295/318 motor. now you want to shove another 2 tenths on us. That is the dumbist thing I have heard in a while. First of all that will not do anything for sand bagging. That has always been going on. If the sand baggers would just run their cars to there potential then the AFHS would work in its present state. The problem is not with the AFHS. its with the drivers that try to manipulate it by brake light racing. If you like hitting your brakes go circle track racing. The only thing lowering the indexes will accomplish is to keep new racers from building cars and starting to race S/SS. I know when I started running super stock it took quite a few years to make my car run consistently under the index. I guess all the old timers forget what it was like when yhey started out. Right now the car counts are way down. we need some real enhancements instead of something that will hurt our type of racing __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

05-30-2008, 10:27 AM	#14
Don Himes Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Port Charlotte, Fla. Posts: 160 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers It looks like some of you are looking at this the wrong way. Back when stock began you could build a competitive car for $5000. Then NHRA enhanced our butts with all this aftermarket stuff so the manufacturerers could make money from us. Now a competitive stocker cost over $20,000 to build (yeah I know, a higher class car is well over $50,000). And it's not even a stocker anymore. They're more like modified production used to be. The best part is that the payouts are very close to what we got back when. Everyone comes on here and pisses and moans about the NHRA enhancments. Well, this is the same thing, only this time we're getting it from our own people. These 2 rules in particular may have a lot of support. But you may not like the next round of enhancements, and then we'll see the crap hit the fan, right? If we have to go to committee members with our conserns, then the only thing being discussed is what all the whinners and sqeeky wheels want discussed. The committee's responsibility is to all racers, and they must present issues to everyone or this whole thing isn't going to work correctly. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION..................Yeah, I'm ready for the revolution!!!!!!!! __________________ Don Himes 2075

05-30-2008, 10:47 AM	#15
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Revolution? Ha! nhra loves revolutions! They'll swat you like a lonely fly. Great guys - I'm sure! Taking .20 off the indexes does nothing to the racers who are not as fast as others. We are runnning in 80 to 90 car fields at nationals; with the exception of Indy. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

05-30-2008, 10:57 AM	#16
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers They only cost that much if you sit in front of the TV and write checks. How about going out to the shop and opening the tool box and firing up the welder? Cost really goes down and it has to be more fun. Sounds like the council is doing what it was designed to do, bring some racing back to stock.

05-30-2008, 11:06 AM	#17
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,197 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Alan, Well said.

05-30-2008, 11:12 AM	#18
5919 SSKA Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 284 Likes: 20 Liked 19 Times in 5 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Would you still need to run -.500 under to win Class? __________________ Racing web page

05-30-2008, 11:52 AM	#19
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,284 Likes: 22 Liked 352 Times in 92 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers first of all... i cannot find fredjohnston on a current qualifying sheet ??? second - i (for one) asked & agree with the index reduction... unless you are under 25, or ignorant to the history of the class you race you KNOW nhra last RAISED the indexes (1980something) and since then have been doling out FREE ET with enhancements like the government spends money... if you cant run the index you probably cant change you own oil... besides we all thought it was a done deal last season we even ran off new indexes at ohio valley doorslammers last october but it wasnt an across the board reduction which i think it should be. third - as far as RULE (not index) changes my hopes were that a sportsman council would squash all the internet whiners and intelligent heads would prevail and STOP changing a rule every week... im tired of everyone who thinks because they want a rule changed (or better yet they already are breaking one and want us to wrap our arms around it) it is thier RIGHT to have the rules fit thier agenda. last - we have a pretty good group here...it cant be any worse than glendora's bull****. jack mccarthy __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"