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Old 08-21-2020, 10:31 PM   #581
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Wow ! That post is FULL of info ! Thanks !

I remember reading that Kyle Riley had a towing accident & did a re-body. But, I'd thought he raced it, for a while, with blue paint & "Who's Next" on the door.

In my mind, I thought the blue car was the one in the wreck. So, I thought the car with the checkered flag treatment was the re-body. So, the re-body had at least 3 different owners. Don't know if it now belongs to Wayne Larsen, or if it still belongs to Jack. Anyhow, Wayne has been driving it this year.

But, apparently, I've never even seen a pic of the '77 body that Dean had. And, who raced the car before Dean had it ?

While on the subject of '77 Lemans, what's the history of the one that Al Vanis raced ? Al won a 2003 nat event with it, nearly 30 years after he won the US Nats, in '74, in a '74 Ventura. Is this another '77 Lemans that has been passed along to several different owners ? It appears to have had Rodnite on the doors, at that '03 race. I actually found a Q-list where Al was driving the Lemans & John Rodnite was driving a Mopar. At some later races, John is shown as the driver. So, from that, I'll assume that Rodnite owned the car & Al drove it, sometimes. If this is not correct, somebody please post the correct info about this car & drivers.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...Zwm7A--&GI_ID=

And, to show how very little I really know about class racing, I had no idea that V/SA is for 4 & 6 cylinder only cars. I assumed that any small, low power V8, in a heavy enuff body could run the lowest classes.

Also had no idea that '78 car is the '79 Himes/Nees 301 Lemans.

Turns out that there have been a lot fewer Pontiac Stockers than I had originally thought. It's just that many of the same cars kept showing up with different drivers.
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Old 08-22-2020, 12:17 AM   #582
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While searching for Al Vanis, I found a list with Al driving a '68 Bird Stocker.

So, anybody know who that bird belonged to and/or any of the car's history, either before or after Al Drove it ?

8/14/08 - Toyo Nats - #79

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=165827

Adam Strang was already driving his '68 Bird. Todd Hoven ran a '72 GTO, in '08. So, was this the Truman Fields Bird that Todd ended up with ?

Hey, it's just a guess, but there have just not been that many '68 Bird Stockers, in div 1, in recent years.

So, who has an ID on the '68 Bird Al was driving ?

Todd may have mentioned this, and I just forgot. Can't remember everything.

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Old 08-22-2020, 07:23 PM   #583
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I need some help from you guys, with an ID on this car.

It was #5 qualifier at the last div 7 race of 2019, at Vegas. The driver is listed as Steve Glenn. The car is listed as a '78 Bird, running H/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Apparently that was the only race the Bird made, that is listed on DRC.

Here's a video of some qualifying from that race. On my laptop, this Bird runs somewhere just after the 28:35 mark. Video info says it has a 400 Pontiac engine. It is blue, but has a white hood. Because it's blue & is from the Northwest, I'm thinkin it may be the former Bill Edgeworth car. Does anybody here have a positive ID on this car ?



The 2nd pic below was taken when Ryan Warter was driving the Edgeworth car at a race, after Bill had passed. Looks like the same wheels that were on the car in the 1st pic. I know lots of cars probably run those wheels. But, it's just another reason I think these 2 pics are of the same car.
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Old 08-22-2020, 09:38 PM   #584
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I purposely saved this car for last. It's what I call the "Yacavone/Batta Bird".

As a Yacavone car, I only found it on DRC, at a couple of races. It's up to Mark if he wants to add anything more about the car or it's race results than he's already provided.

3/7/98 - Gators - #20 - 1.000 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=38726

5/16/98 - Englishtown Mopar Nats - #8 - 1.100 under - L/SA winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=40284

I know I've probably mentioned this already. But I just can't help myself. I MUST mention it again. Right below Carol's name are 4 names of other drivers that won their class, in Pontiac powered cars. So, that's L/SA, M/SA. N/SA, O/SA, & P/SA class wins for Pontiac !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=40283

Don't know exactly when Dave Batta began racing it. A DRC search seems to show that 2001 may have been the 1st year. If that's not correct, somebody can post the correct info. He ran most of the div 3 races.

4/28/01 - div 3-1 - #47 - .782 under - Kyle Riley won this race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

He was bumped out of the Indy top 128, by more than a dozen slow class winners. Ran .798 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

10/13/01 - div 3-6 - #45 - .829 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=58968

5/17/03 - div 3-2 - #53 .914 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=25756

Looks like Dave came up with a bit more power, for '04.

4/17/04 - div 3-1 - #26 - 1.047 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=11349

8/7/04 - div 3-4 - #37 - 1.003 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=4220

9/3/04 - US Nats - #31 - 1.142 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=2312

9/25/04 - div 3-6 - #13 - 1.056 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=1260

4/16/05 - div 3-1 - #13 - 1.181 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=92558

7/30/05 - Jegs Northern SPORTSnationals - #26 - 1.072 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=100001

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https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch
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Old 08-22-2020, 11:03 PM   #585
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Oldskool , Update on a few things ???

I knew Mike Moyer when he lived in Va, and ran VMP & Richmond Drag-way ?Mike was a great guy & loved racing . His Firebird is a Olds - powered, I think it was a 403 ci ? It ran 70-80 under the index , I think Mike moved away when I sold my firebird to Dean .. Glad to see he's still racing , looks like he had the car painted ..

Al Vanis bought my car from Johnny Rodnite and Won two races in a row !!
He was a very- good driver and won a few more races , before he traded 77 Lemans to Bob Michael' for a 77 Firebird S/S .. Then Bob fixed it all (engine + Paint...Then I bought it from Bob 4-5 yrs. ago !! (lost the good engine and built
another one !!!

* Dean Ribeiro , had found a mint White 1977 Grand Lemans ( white interior+ buckets ) Had it for about 6 mos. and wanted to make it into a racecar ???
So he took out the motor and we built up a 400 ci just like my firebird !!!
He came down to my house in Va. on a wed. & thursday after- noon we fired
it up and went to VMP !!! Very first pass went - .65 under the index and next pass went -.86 under.. The car went 1.05 under at the LBV in the Summer time when Kyle bought it ??? Then on the way home they Lost it ?? Kyle , then found a 77 Lemans body & replaced everything + Won many Races !!!!!!!
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'79 was the last year that a 400 engine came in a Bird. And it came ONLY with a 4-speed manual trans. So, I've never seen or even heard of a '79 400 powered Bird Stocker. If anybody here knows of one, please post that info.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...2&MAKE=Pontiac

I did see a '79 Bird Stocker listed on several Q-lists. But, it had an auto trans. So, it was probably 403 Olds powered.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...0&MAKE=Pontiac

Therefore, the only later Pontiac powered 2nd gen Bird Stockers I know of are 301T powered. The 301 non-turbo engine was available in some of these cars. IIRC, BIlly Nees said one of these might make a decent Stocker.

Anyhow, right now, I only remember 3 names connected to the 301T Stockers -- Neil Smedley, Chris Denton, & Rick Unterseh. I'm sure some of you guys know of others. Anyone with info about any others are encouraged to post your info.

Let's kick it off with Neil Smedley.

2/24/01 - div 7-2 - #1 - 1.510 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=84909

4/5/01 - Vegas Summit Nats - #1 - 1.305 under - Won Stock !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=83445

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=83224

10/26/01 - Vegas Nats - #1 - 1.319 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=67524

11/3/01 - div 7-6 - #1 - 1.461 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=67835

Chris Denton

2/25/06 - AZ Nats - #7 - 1.171 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

3/10/07 - div 7-2 - #1 - 1.433 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

4/21/07 - div 7-3 - #5 - 1.288 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

2/23/08 - AZ Nats - #6 - 1.100 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

3/1/08 - div 7-1- #13 - 1.053 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

3/8/08 - div 7-2 - #1 - 1.626 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

4/11/08 - Vegas Summit Nats - #31 - 1.115 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

Rick Unterseh

10/30/09 - Vegas Nats - #13 - 1.340 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=196122

2/18/12 - AZ Nats - #1 - 1.009 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=245015

11/6/15 - div 7-7 - #2 - 1.211 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=307822

11/8/19 - div 7-7 - #4 - 1.014 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

The number 5 car was listed as a '78 Bird, driven by Steve Glenn. Anybody have any info on this Bird ? Rick U said they'd just got it running. It was listed with a 400. Was blue, with a white hood. He was told that he could run it that way once, but would have to paint it before allowed to race again. Since it was blue, & in the Northwest, my 1st guess is that it is the former Bill Edgeworth Bird. Who knows, for sure ?

Rick is still running mid 12's, this year. That was good enuff for #41 at this race.

2/28/20 -Tucson NO - #41

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=359978

I assume these turbo cars will run quicker, as you increase the boost. But, considering the weak nature of the 301 bottom end, running less boost is probably a good idea.
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Old 08-23-2020, 12:12 AM   #587
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Hey Dave, THANKS once again for the info !

Real sorry to hear about the Olds power in the Moyer car. Only Olds powered '78 Bird Stocker I've ever heard of.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...px?ENGINE=2859

The '78 Bird could also use a Chevy 350.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...spx?ENGINE=313

I edited that post, and mentioned instead a '78 400 powered Bird which I'd forgotten about. Only noticed it at one race, the div 7-7 race last year. It was driven by Steve Glenn, from WA. At the time, it was blue. with a white hood. I'm thinkin it may be the former Bill Edgeworth Bird. Would appreciate anyone who can help ID the car.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

I may have made a similar mistake with other Pontiacs which were available with non-Pontiac power options.

This is especially tuff with the GT Super Stock cars, since most any GM V8 is OK.

Because of my racing experiences, it became one of my pet peeves to see a Chevy engine in a Pontiac body that came with a Pontiac engine. So, even to this day, I only wanna talk about cars with a real Pontiac V8 in 'em.

I realize that many, if not MOST racers don't share my brand preference deal. But, I'm too old to change, now. So, ya'll will just have to excuse me, OK ?

PS: I don't know this, for a fact. But I ASSUME that if I were to run a 1st gen Camaro in a GT class, using a Pontiac engine for power, there would be quite a few die-hard Chevy guys who would frown on it.

But, since I'm a Pontiac guy, I think it's great that some of the Cobalts are now 428 Pontiac powered !

One of those Cobalts has dipped into the 8's. 2 have won class at Indy.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop
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I've probably already asked this question. But, once again, I can't remember the answer.

And, I suppose this site has one of the worst search functions I've seen.

There was a '68 Bird, which ran back in the late '90's & early 2000's. Sometimes the driver is listed as Jack Treola, sometimes as James Treola. Both names are listed as being from WV. Sometimes the # was 9049. Sometimes it was 3049.

4/4/98 - Rockingham - #18

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=39249

4/10/99 - Rockingham - #8

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=48030

11/4/00 - Rockingham - #25

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=86532

8/24/01 - div 3-6 - #48

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=35636

8/30/02 - div 3-5 - #44

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=73332

10/19/03 - div 3-6 - #56

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=17604

8/7/04 - div 3-4 - #66

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=4220

So, somebody please tell me again the history of this car, & especially who's racing it now.

Thanks !
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Tried to edit my last post. But when I hit "Save", instead of adding the edit to the existing post, it made a completely new post, below the one I was editing.

The new post included the 1st sentence from my last post, then my edit meant for the previous post, then the last several sentences of the previous post. None of the DRC info was included.

I suppose that is one of the strangest things that has happened to me, posting on a forum.

While on the subject of site problems, is there some way to refine a search, in order to make it even reasonably usable ? For example, is there some way to make the search function look for a person's full name. Example: John Smith. Rather than showing every time the word John is used plus every time the word Smith is used, you could search only for the times the 2 words are used together ?

As mentioned, of all the car forums on which I've done a search, this search function is probably the worst. Or, maybe I just don't know how to properly do a search, here. If there is any help, to make the search function work better, somebody please tell me how. Thanks !

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Once again, I MAY have posted this info. Don't remember.

The Knafel 1970 Judge ran in AHRA. It had 2-FA on the window. I thought that was a SS class. But, as the 5th pic below states, the car was the AHRA Stock national champ.

Was also an AHRA nat record holder that year, & won class at the AHRA Pro-Am nats. As far as I know, we never had an AHRA track in our area. So, I never knew the rules differences.

But, apparently this car ran strong under the AHRA Stock rules.
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