Let's have a discussion about setting records - Page 4

BRETV · 05-23-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

I'm going to put together a nice presentation and submit it to NHRA. It may be futile but I will try anyway. I will keep everyone posted. Thanks. Ed

Thanks Ed, all you can do is try!

Bret Velde
2003 SS/LA

Jim Caughlin · 05-23-2017, 01:53 PM

So this conversation just morphed from Natl Record to running class elims at Divisional races, two separate issues....

Trevor Weiss · 05-23-2017, 02:05 PM

Sorry to have hi-jacked the thread

Trevor Weiss · 05-23-2017, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

So this conversation just morphed from Natl Record to running class elims at Divisional races, two separate issues....

Sorry

Jeff Stout · 05-23-2017, 03:47 PM

I know NHRA wouldnt want to give up a entry fee to Nats for setting a record, but maybe a grade point for an entry into Nats for setting a record once. That way it helps a racer that cant make a far away divisional race just to get 1 more point to enter a Nat, now will be given that point for setting a record at a closer div race. Takes no money away from NHRA pockets.
I wish in time trials class cars could run each other for a show and good heads up racing, but I understand its tough to find like class cars in staging when making time trials.

Ed Carpenter · 05-23-2017, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Correct me if I am wrong but you should only set a record at an 'Open'. If you set a record at a 'divisional' you would a) get a strike on your combo if it was faster than 1 under & b) get instant HP if you were 1.2 under. So I believe that takes away the desire to try to set records at 'divisional s'. That limits the races where records could be set. Since you get nothing for setting a record (other than HP) or getting credit for working hard on your combo, is it worth the cost & time of tearing down you engine?

Not all divisions have 3 or 4 opens like others. This goes back to its a performance class but I don't want to run it all out......ugh.....

Ed Carpenter · 05-23-2017, 03:59 PM

I will take all idea's and write a formal letter and submit to Glendora this week. Thanks for the input.

Fastglen · 05-23-2017, 04:26 PM

Having held 4 NHRA National records in four different cars, I feel I can attest to the value of accomplishing that feat.
Yes, we were able to attract sponsors. Yes, there were some psychological advantages in class eliminations. Yes, there were some hate letters ( some of those early records determined the class index for the Nation). Yes, it removed many suspicions about how the cars got so fast. An NHRA record teardown is,( or was), pretty damn thorough. Yes, it was easier to sell the cars and move on to the next project. However, for me, it was sharing with 2 or 3 other crew guys the exhilaration of accomplishing something that less than 1% ( a guess) of drag racers ever feel. Those records were the payback for the crew that I got as a winning driver...well sometimes a winning driver.
Glen Tinsley...retired

Ed Carpenter · 05-23-2017, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

So this conversation just morphed from Natl Record to running class elims at Divisional races, two separate issues....

I'm working on the record deal. Class at divisional was just an idea.

Jim Caughlin · 05-23-2017, 06:15 PM

I wasn't aware that I was bitching, and I'm not sitting on my butt, I thrash on my car on a daily basis trying to make it faster and have been running Divisional races on an ongoing basis for the past several decades. I have set National Records on numerous occasions (and am not particularly happy when they go back to minimum after two years). I'd love to run class at Divisional races, just saying the National Record issue and running class at Divisionals are two separate issues and should be dealt with on separate threads. Incidentally, Division 6 has a year end CIC type race sponsored by the Gaynors based on points accumulated during the season.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

05-23-2017, 01:53 PM	#32
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 635 Likes: 70 Liked 693 Times in 208 Posts	Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records So this conversation just morphed from Natl Record to running class elims at Divisional races, two separate issues....

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Trevor Weiss Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 67 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records Sorry to have hi-jacked the thread __________________ Trevor Weiss 2891 STK Last edited by Trevor Weiss; 05-24-2017 at 10:52 AM.

05-23-2017, 03:47 PM	#35
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,410 Likes: 53 Liked 655 Times in 255 Posts	Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records I know NHRA wouldnt want to give up a entry fee to Nats for setting a record, but maybe a grade point for an entry into Nats for setting a record once. That way it helps a racer that cant make a far away divisional race just to get 1 more point to enter a Nat, now will be given that point for setting a record at a closer div race. Takes no money away from NHRA pockets. I wish in time trials class cars could run each other for a show and good heads up racing, but I understand its tough to find like class cars in staging when making time trials.

05-23-2017, 03:59 PM	#37
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,698 Likes: 185 Liked 503 Times in 126 Posts	Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records I will take all idea's and write a formal letter and submit to Glendora this week. Thanks for the input. __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development Last edited by Ed Carpenter; 05-23-2017 at 07:44 PM.

05-23-2017, 04:26 PM	#38
Fastglen Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 11 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records Having held 4 NHRA National records in four different cars, I feel I can attest to the value of accomplishing that feat. Yes, we were able to attract sponsors. Yes, there were some psychological advantages in class eliminations. Yes, there were some hate letters ( some of those early records determined the class index for the Nation). Yes, it removed many suspicions about how the cars got so fast. An NHRA record teardown is,( or was), pretty damn thorough. Yes, it was easier to sell the cars and move on to the next project. However, for me, it was sharing with 2 or 3 other crew guys the exhilaration of accomplishing something that less than 1% ( a guess) of drag racers ever feel. Those records were the payback for the crew that I got as a winning driver...well sometimes a winning driver. Glen Tinsley...retired __________________ Glen Tinsley

05-23-2017, 06:15 PM	#40
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 635 Likes: 70 Liked 693 Times in 208 Posts	Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records I wasn't aware that I was bitching, and I'm not sitting on my butt, I thrash on my car on a daily basis trying to make it faster and have been running Divisional races on an ongoing basis for the past several decades. I have set National Records on numerous occasions (and am not particularly happy when they go back to minimum after two years). I'd love to run class at Divisional races, just saying the National Record issue and running class at Divisionals are two separate issues and should be dealt with on separate threads. Incidentally, Division 6 has a year end CIC type race sponsored by the Gaynors based on points accumulated during the season. Jim Caughlin SS 6019