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Old 07-27-2016, 06:58 PM   #21
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Mike Beard
Your Class Nationals was the best race I have been to.
Sponsored the Pure Stock Challenge.
Despite the crazy grief from those that disliked my advocacy.
Until last year drove my car to the track for years and then set up to race.

Think 12 cars competed and put out a good bit of money.
Still a good turn out and made several new friends.
Yet my company did not get a bit of recognition other than from you.
DanSources is an IT & Technical Staffing and Consulting company.
Not your average Contingency fundee!
Would I do it again to help the cause?....YES !

Next year was a bit different.
Committed to the IHRA ProAm at Empire that same weekend.
Heavy investment in a trailer and setting up the wagon to go tow to races.
The year before cost me a $1100 to haul a broken car 200 miles.

I do feel bad not supporting you the next year.
20/20 hindsight...I should have. Could have made a difference.
It was a missed opportunity promoting Pure Stock that was getting a some traction.

Wish there was a Crate Motor and GT Advocate out there too.
Sometimes they are known as Community Organizers !

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Old 07-27-2016, 07:58 PM   #22
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I haven't raced for many years, but worked and spent as much as it took to "run with the crowd" as we liked to say back then, and it paid off.

What I don't understand about today's racing;

1) The excessive money spent on race rigs.
2) The excessive money spent on race car "bling".
3) Doesn't anyone do anything themselves anymore?
4) The racers themselves changed the rule book, not the NHRA, and it has cost them.
5) The racers showing up Wednesday for a divisional race. For a good pit spot?
6) A divisional race should be two days not three.

Please enlighten me.
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Old 07-27-2016, 08:44 PM   #23
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I haven't raced for many years, but worked and spent as much as it took to "run with the crowd" as we liked to say back then, and it paid off.

What I don't understand about today's racing;

1) The excessive money spent on race rigs.
2) The excessive money spent on race car "bling".
3) Doesn't anyone do anything themselves anymore?
4) The racers themselves changed the rule book, not the NHRA, and it has cost them.
5) The racers showing up Wednesday for a divisional race. For a good pit spot?
6) A divisional race should be two days not three.

Please enlighten me.
Frank
1-Its who got the bigger one
2-Those who have the MONEY
3-Those with MONEY don't
4- unknown
5- most of the racers today are old like us, retired and have nothing else to do. Look in the staging lanes, mostly gray!!!!
6- the more car that NHRA adds to the list, the longer it takes. The old days we ran two days Friday and Saturday with the pros, remember?
Just my two cents.

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Old 07-27-2016, 09:36 PM   #24
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I haven't raced for many years, but worked and spent as much as it took to "run with the crowd" as we liked to say back then, and it paid off.

What I don't understand about today's racing;

1) The excessive money spent on race rigs.
2) The excessive money spent on race car "bling".
3) Doesn't anyone do anything themselves anymore?
4) The racers themselves changed the rule book, not the NHRA, and it has cost them.
5) The racers showing up Wednesday for a divisional race. For a good pit spot?
6) A divisional race should be two days not three.

Please enlighten me.
I'm with you on this Frank
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Old 07-27-2016, 09:58 PM   #25
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Hey guys, the bashing of our beloved sport is getting old....
And enough with the constant ranting over the payouts.
Sub-Single digit percentages of class racers do this for any hope of payout. Literally only a few individuals.

Yes, we want the wally, yes we want the prestige, yes we want the satisfaction of winning in this class. Your damm right we'd rather race at an NHRA national event then some local bracket race, regardless of the payout.

You can go on and on about the big money bracket races. Fine, go ahead get your generic classless bracket car and run against those boys in the high dollar bracket races. Good luck with that. I'm sure its a great plan to make money for retirement. After all, you mention all the time about the big money bracket race payouts, so go ahead and start earning all that money. Let us all know how well that works out.

A great many of us wouldn't even bother to race if all we could do was bracket race generic cars.

Class racing is an entirely different breed and its never been about the money.

Can the never-been-class racers, class racer wannabees, and ex-racers living in an era long gone, please stop beating down what a lot of us are currently have a great time doing. Your on a public forum making our case look far worse than it is!! YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME.

I'm inclined to say, you know what guys, if you aren't currently racing in S/SS in NHRA competition, you don't really get to bash the current state of affairs.
Its not 1969, it wont ever be 1969 again, and you know what, that is fine with a great majority of us.

Now all that being said, I must admit, I tend to agree with statements about the amount of "bling", the folks who don't turn a single wrench on their combo just purchase everything, and the need to take several days vacation to attend a divisional race.
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Old 07-27-2016, 10:17 PM   #26
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Wow, this thread has become exceptionally productive.



Or maybe not.



Not sure what people think they will gain by worrying about the racing operation of other people.



The biggest problem racing faces is racers. Apparently a lot of racers are dead set on being their own worst enemy.
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Old 07-27-2016, 10:50 PM   #27
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The beauty of our class cars is that we can run both class racing and big bucks bracket racing if we want to ( non delay of course)
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Old 07-27-2016, 10:57 PM   #28
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Wow, this thread has become exceptionally productive.



Or maybe not.



Not sure what people think they will gain by worrying about the racing operation of other people.



The biggest problem racing faces is racers. Apparently a lot of racers are dead set on being their own worst enemy.

I suppose I see things different, but I think it's a good sign that some drag racers are willing to spend $ 100K to win $ 1K.

Much better than the alternative of them finding another type of motorsports to participate in...
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Old 07-27-2016, 11:04 PM   #29
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I think that it is great that some racers can afford spend over a 1/2 million dollars in race cars and rigs. It helps the American economy. I only have a problem that we are paying more money on entry fees and getting less for our money. NHRA is not policing the cars the way that they should, such as HP factoring, as well as tear downs. I pay for membership to NHRA and I loose the right to listen to races, who in NHRA came up with that? It's OK to a point, but entry fees have increased and the payouts are the same as they were in 1969, a joke to what my local track pays $40 entry to win $800. Maybe a 45 car field. So when NHRA collects $170 from 90 + cars and only pays $1000 to $1500 to win, that's almost legal robbery. I know that I don't have to participate so I don't other then National events I can get into.
I enjoy stock, it kills me to see the category be run by cubic dollars. It's no longer what you can achieve with your own knowledge, talents and skills. Buy it, go fast.
At PBIR they have a road race course and the price of road race cars is absurd. They race for trophies, maybe the racers who just want trophies should race there.
BTW, my permanent number is a Bracket Number.

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Old 07-28-2016, 06:38 AM   #30
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My point is about the complaining. Class racing is the best, but don't complain about NHRA and it's entry fees and payouts if arrive in a 100k race rig,
My pet peeve is what stock eliminator became even before the FS cars. The camshaft duration rule change has had a monumental impact on cost.
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