Stock and SS racers .... interesting, worth reading !

Jim Bailey · 12-10-2014, 03:38 PM

Sometime over this holiday season, take time to set down and read - "Why is bracket racing the only form of racing without rules." - well written by Jok Nicholson. Find it on ETdragracing.com .... Dead On with Jok Nicholson..... It's very enlightening and thought provoking. Merry Christmas -Jim-

Bob Don · 12-10-2014, 04:23 PM

Here:

http://etdragracing.com/magazine/201...-without-rules

RJ Sledge · 12-10-2014, 05:56 PM

Jim that is an interesting read. I agree with Jok about the attendance issue and his explanation makes perfect sense.

I know absolutely zilch about the new electronics available, had a Race pack and all I could ever figure out was to check the flash on the converter. Don't doubt for an instant that these things are going on.

Seen racers who were run of the mill drivers for several years and then all of a sudden they can't lose. Then again if its not against the rules of NHRA their not cheating, their just taking advantage of the situation.

BB King sums it up best with........."The Thrill is gone".

RJ

Dwight Southerland · 12-10-2014, 06:44 PM

After reading the article, many issues come to mind relating to bracket racing, whether electronic or non-electronic, that have not been addressed by any sanctioning body or race track. The economic need for consistent easy-to-operate programs for tracks has pushed the "no rules" situation Mr. Nicholson describes. If participation in high revenue drag races is to thrive, then it has to have controls imposed. It will cease to be a sport when it becomes merely a display of technology in action. A fan will only be attracted if it is a real competition of participants' skills during the contest, not the ability to beat the system with money and technology.

Dave Noll · 12-10-2014, 07:32 PM

To me this is simply a matter of enforcing rules we already have,

"Timed vehicle control devices (counters, time displays,etc.) except as outlined under Class Requirements, are prohibited.
Data recorders are permitted in Advanced E.T. and Super Pro only."
(Section 4 page 1)

It's obvious that a car needs an ignition system to run ,but "timed" and "control" are key to me here.

"Once you leave the line with the trans-brake that signals the uploaded Programmed RPM to Time limits (Slew Rate) to start."

Using a program in a laptop to change pulse width and timing could be compared to changing jets in a carb and re-curving a distributor but this is about Controlling the RATE of acceleration. I don't see the need for new rules, just enforce what we've got

Jim Bailey · 12-11-2014, 04:57 PM

One easy thing, that could be done, is to not allow hand held programmers in the car during a run. That would make it easier to check the programmable ignition's program at the end of a run. That's a simple plug in transfer to a lap top.

12-10-2014, 03:38 PM	#1
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 699 Likes: 17 Liked 571 Times in 107 Posts	Stock and SS racers .... interesting, worth reading ! Sometime over this holiday season, take time to set down and read - "Why is bracket racing the only form of racing without rules." - well written by Jok Nicholson. Find it on ETdragracing.com .... Dead On with Jok Nicholson..... It's very enlightening and thought provoking. Merry Christmas -Jim-

12-10-2014, 04:23 PM	#2
Bob Don VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Greater Boston Posts: 1,476 Likes: 980 Liked 778 Times in 175 Posts	Re: Stock and SS racers .... interesting, worth reading ! Here: http://etdragracing.com/magazine/201...-without-rules __________________ Bob Don 128 SS

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RJ Sledge Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 752 Likes: 377 Liked 249 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Stock and SS racers .... interesting, worth reading ! Jim that is an interesting read. I agree with Jok about the attendance issue and his explanation makes perfect sense. I know absolutely zilch about the new electronics available, had a Race pack and all I could ever figure out was to check the flash on the converter. Don't doubt for an instant that these things are going on. Seen racers who were run of the mill drivers for several years and then all of a sudden they can't lose. Then again if its not against the rules of NHRA their not cheating, their just taking advantage of the situation. BB King sums it up best with........."The Thrill is gone". RJ Last edited by RJ Sledge; 12-10-2014 at 06:16 PM.

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Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,980 Likes: 53 Liked 724 Times in 177 Posts	Re: Stock and SS racers .... interesting, worth reading ! After reading the article, many issues come to mind relating to bracket racing, whether electronic or non-electronic, that have not been addressed by any sanctioning body or race track. The economic need for consistent easy-to-operate programs for tracks has pushed the "no rules" situation Mr. Nicholson describes. If participation in high revenue drag races is to thrive, then it has to have controls imposed. It will cease to be a sport when it becomes merely a display of technology in action. A fan will only be attracted if it is a real competition of participants' skills during the contest, not the ability to beat the system with money and technology.

12-10-2014, 07:32 PM	#5
Dave Noll Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Div. 6, Eastern, WA Posts: 694 Likes: 2,260 Liked 219 Times in 105 Posts	Re: Stock and SS racers .... interesting, worth reading ! To me this is simply a matter of enforcing rules we already have, "Timed vehicle control devices (counters, time displays,etc.) except as outlined under Class Requirements, are prohibited. Data recorders are permitted in Advanced E.T. and Super Pro only." (Section 4 page 1) It's obvious that a car needs an ignition system to run ,but "timed" and "control" are key to me here. "Once you leave the line with the trans-brake that signals the uploaded Programmed RPM to Time limits (Slew Rate) to start." Using a program in a laptop to change pulse width and timing could be compared to changing jets in a carb and re-curving a distributor but this is about Controlling the RATE of acceleration. I don't see the need for new rules, just enforce what we've got __________________ Dave Noll, E/FS ,L/SA 6526

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Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 699 Likes: 17 Liked 571 Times in 107 Posts	Re: Stock and SS racers .... interesting, worth reading ! One easy thing, that could be done, is to not allow hand held programmers in the car during a run. That would make it easier to check the programmable ignition's program at the end of a run. That's a simple plug in transfer to a lap top.