0.0000 mov

colby · 07-31-2015, 05:47 PM

Randomly looking through DRC results.....
Last week the LODRS race in Sonoma Rd 1 of S/S
Back to back pairs with a 0.0000 MOV
Wonder if that has ever happened before........

FireSale · 07-31-2015, 08:24 PM

The MOV of 0.000 is statistical. In both races, both cars had identical "time on the track" figures. Hall left 0.031 before Lamb. Both cars had identical beam to beam times, but Hall won by 0.031. That's the true MOV. Zero inches? No.

Someone correct me.

Dale

Andys dad · 07-31-2015, 09:33 PM

Also weird in that SS round one was the last seven pairs in a row all were double breakouts. A rare occurrence as well.

two no shows followed by two red lights and actually 8 of last 9 pairs DBO - 16 guys/cars missed it out of 18.

Strange stuff - I am telling you.

BTW - somebody was not "identical" they lost and the other car won. If it was really a tie - they both would have been in second round - statistically speaking of course - LOL

Maybe we can argue how the winner is picked by the computer (out to the hundred thousandth perhaps) or go back to the old rumor it is always the left lane. Have to ask the participants since actual lanes unknown on DRC.

Ron

HR9121 · 07-31-2015, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSale

The MOV of 0.000 is statistical. In both races, both cars had identical "time on the track" figures. Hall left 0.031 before Lamb. Both cars had identical beam to beam times, but Hall won by 0.031. That's the true MOV. Zero inches? No.

Someone correct me.

Dale

Afraid I have to disagree here, Hall had a better reaction by .031 but gave all of it back by running .031 further over his dial in, therefor the MOV was .0000 a statistical dead heat.

colby · 07-31-2015, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSale

The MOV of 0.000 is statistical. In both races, both cars had identical "time on the track" figures. Hall left 0.031 before Lamb. Both cars had identical beam to beam times, but Hall won by 0.031. That's the true MOV. Zero inches? No.

Someone correct me.

Dale

No they got to the finish line at the exact same time ( to 4 decimal places) the only time the 1st to finish differential and MOV tome don't match is a red light or breakout situation.

Bret Kepner · 07-31-2015, 10:12 PM

There's no such thing as a "dead heat" and adding the word "statistical" doesn't do anything to change the fact.

Comp-U-Link timing systems record, (internally), to the millionth of a second, (0.000000). The Comp-U-Link timeslip displays to the ten-thousandth of a second, (0.0000). Therefore, any "win margin" displayed as 0.000 can be as large 0.00009.

In the first example, that would be two-tenths of an inch, (0.20091 inches).

In the second example, that would be slightly less than two-tenths of an inch, (0.19987 inches).

HR9121 · 07-31-2015, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bret Kepner

There's no such thing as a "dead heat" and adding the word "statistical" doesn't do anything to change the fact.

Comp-U-Link timing systems record, (internally), to the millionth of a second, (0.000000). The Comp-U-Link timeslip displays to the ten-thousandth of a second, (0.0000). Therefore, any "win margin" displayed as 0.000 can be as large 0.00009.

In the first example, that would be two-tenths of an inch, (0.20091 inches).

In the second example, that would be slightly less than two-tenths of an inch, (0.19987 inches).

There is no disputing that you are correct but we use the terminology all the time when referring to a MOV of .0000 because the time slip doesn't read "close as a split frog's hair!" I apologize to the offended parties for using such idioms to describe the outcome of these races.

colby · 07-31-2015, 10:47 PM

Bret I agree that the Compulink goes out further than 4 decimals and someone did actually get there 1st, I was only pointing out that 2 of these back to back has to be a 1 in a million scenario. I hope one of those 4 guys bought a lotto ticket. I have only seen those 4 zeros on the announcer screen a handful of times in the thousands of pairs I've seen run.

Geerhead55 · 08-09-2015, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HR9121

There is no disputing that you are correct but we use the terminology all the time when referring to a MOV of .0000 because the time slip doesn't read "close as a split frog's hair!" I apologize to the offended parties for using such idioms to describe the outcome of these races.

Aw,, dangit Cooter, now you did it! I was down at a local pond and the frogs were demonstrating,, with banners that said "Frog Lives Matter!" We're in for it now!
Danny Durham

bottombulb · 08-08-2015, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bret Kepner

There's no such thing as a "dead heat" and adding the word "statistical" doesn't do anything to change the fact.

Comp-U-Link timing systems record, (internally), to the millionth of a second, (0.000000). The Comp-U-Link timeslip displays to the ten-thousandth of a second, (0.0000). Therefore, any "win margin" displayed as 0.000 can be as large 0.00009.

In the first example, that would be two-tenths of an inch, (0.20091 inches).

In the second example, that would be slightly less than two-tenths of an inch, (0.19987 inches).

The second example would be more than the first example, since the car that got there second was 150.18 mph. That would calculate to .23788 inches.

07-31-2015, 05:47 PM	#1
colby Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Noble, OK Posts: 54 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	0.0000 mov Randomly looking through DRC results..... Last week the LODRS race in Sonoma Rd 1 of S/S Back to back pairs with a 0.0000 MOV Wonder if that has ever happened before........

07-31-2015, 08:24 PM	#2
FireSale VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Lakewood Washington Posts: 1,407 Likes: 29 Liked 236 Times in 127 Posts	Re: 0.0000 mov The MOV of 0.000 is statistical. In both races, both cars had identical "time on the track" figures. Hall left 0.031 before Lamb. Both cars had identical beam to beam times, but Hall won by 0.031. That's the true MOV. Zero inches? No. Someone correct me. Dale __________________ Dale Shearon 68 Mustang 6394

07-31-2015, 09:33 PM	#3
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: 0.0000 mov Also weird in that SS round one was the last seven pairs in a row all were double breakouts. A rare occurrence as well. two no shows followed by two red lights and actually 8 of last 9 pairs DBO - 16 guys/cars missed it out of 18. Strange stuff - I am telling you. BTW - somebody was not "identical" they lost and the other car won. If it was really a tie - they both would have been in second round - statistically speaking of course - LOL Maybe we can argue how the winner is picked by the computer (out to the hundred thousandth perhaps) or go back to the old rumor it is always the left lane. Have to ask the participants since actual lanes unknown on DRC. Ron __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham Last edited by Andys dad; 07-31-2015 at 09:45 PM.

07-31-2015, 10:12 PM	#6
Bret Kepner Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri, USA Posts: 418 Likes: 1 Liked 11 Times in 2 Posts	Re: 0.0000 mov There's no such thing as a "dead heat" and adding the word "statistical" doesn't do anything to change the fact. Comp-U-Link timing systems record, (internally), to the millionth of a second, (0.000000). The Comp-U-Link timeslip displays to the ten-thousandth of a second, (0.0000). Therefore, any "win margin" displayed as 0.000 can be as large 0.00009. In the first example, that would be two-tenths of an inch, (0.20091 inches). In the second example, that would be slightly less than two-tenths of an inch, (0.19987 inches). __________________ Bret Kepner BRETKEPNER@Prodigy.net Saint Louis, Missouri, USA

07-31-2015, 10:47 PM	#8
colby Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Noble, OK Posts: 54 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 0.0000 mov Bret I agree that the Compulink goes out further than 4 decimals and someone did actually get there 1st, I was only pointing out that 2 of these back to back has to be a 1 in a million scenario. I hope one of those 4 guys bought a lotto ticket. I have only seen those 4 zeros on the announcer screen a handful of times in the thousands of pairs I've seen run.