Re: oil retention devices
 

I'm not in favor of this on many levels, the cost, the service issues,the REAL need.First the cost, if you have room and can just get a garden variety diaper and install it great, go for it. However most of the cars I've seen would require quite a bit of reworking, if such a device had been incorporated into the build from jump street then all's well. I like Wade do most all of my own car building, build a new set of headers, yeah I can do it then I can drop another $300 for coating and throw my other perfectly good set in the scrap pile.First issue solved, next oil pan, nearly touches mid plate, well a new $700-$1000 oil pan should fix that.So for me at least, besides the labor time to fab up the headers and the cost of the diaper I'm in for about $1000 dollars. Now would I spend a grand to protect my race car, yeah you bet however as stated by some here it's still no guarantee, I'm not going to leak some fluid, for instance, A good freind of mine has a T/S car with a diaper a few years ago he's at a race leaves the line all the sudden car takes off on him, tags the wall, car goes back to RJ for repair. The culprit? He had a small water leak that kept collecting in the diaper once it had enough stored up well you can see how it turned out. As for service well seems to me it would require at the very least taking one side of it down, is that a pain, not sure but for some apps I'm quite sure it wouldn't be pleasent. And yeah the REAL need how 'bout showing us track oiling racers some data, data's good I've found it useful most every day in my life. I cannot say having one is a bad idea, however I can say it's a bad idea to make them mandatory, we simply can't run every possible scenario and come up with a fix for it, too many variables.So to the guys that have them cudos just don't make everyone else have to have them. Joe

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It should be manatory on every car with a BLOWER, otherwise optional equipment. Stuff will occasionally blow up including transmissions and rear ends. Are we going to diaper them too? I have oiled a track and sat and waited while cleanup was done for others. It's part of the deal. This idea is another knee jerk reaction to a low percentage problem and I'm against it.

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Stock is the oldest sportsman class with SS probably a close second and the basic rules have been in place for a very long time. To ask a class to change from those rules in an instant and start cutting and moving steering and crossmembers and frame rails, headers and what ever else some of the cars will have to do to allow for a retention devices in not productive or good for the future of NHRA Drag Racing in this economy.
I'll be the first to say we could use extra safety devises on all classes but at what price would we have to pay for this rule to be put into effect this soon. This should not be a hasty decision and much research needs to be done before any rule is considered so not to leave anyone out of racing. This is not to say if you can put one on you should go for it.

NHRA has been good enough to ask for input from Stock and Super Stock CAR OWNERS only.
They are engaging in the first part of the research nessesary to be able to discuss the issue intelligently. If you want to share your difficulties of the application of these devises on your car I urge you to do so VERY SOON by emailing Bob Lang and copy your Div. SRAC member. Please include your car numbers and type and year of car and engine combination. Pictures will be very helpful.
This is a very serious matter for some to comply with and you should be heard from.

Thanks
Mike Crutchfield
D2 S/SS SRAC Member

Re: oil retention devices
 

Maybe your BLOWN 526 HEMI needs one !! But very few in Stock or Super Stock actually needs one !! Too many posts on this are from people not involved in Stock or Super Stock but come here because the forums for throttle stop classes are DEAD !

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They were not down for Stockers Blowing up at the classic. Rain washed out saturday racing and washed out the finals on sunday. Had to run them on Monday. There were 3 oil downs total and from what I understand all 3 were caused by .90 Super cars so get you facts straight.

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I was there at the Dutch and the ONLY reason the race was delayed was because of rain.
Don't remember any problems with stockers oiling down the track.
BTW do you have a diaper on your heemi?I hope so.526"s and a blower sounds like a recipe for a future China Syndrome.

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Seems like some people have an agenda. Ed. He has to use one so he wants everyone to use one. Sounds like misery loves company.

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Actually your facts are no where near correct. I was there with a friend looking at a stocker that was for sale. There were 3 oil downs that I witnessed and all were from .90 cars. Not once did I ever see a stocker oildown anything and I watched every stocker run.

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Blown Hemi, I think your log on name says it all, not aware of too many of those in S/SS. The post was started in regards to what actual S/SS racers thought of this plan of action, not for people who don't have a dime in it. I've got several freinds who run the faster classes who all had to shell out the coin for the 15 suits.Then most scrambled on the rear driveshaft deal. Sure most grumbled but hey the rule was already a done deal. Those are completely different cars than we're talking about. You say we're not entitled to see some data on this subject, why not? If they told all us that we've got this much down time by these certain classes that may sway some racers to rethink. Really I'd like to see the numbers across the board, for all classes T/F on down, any guesses on who the worst offenders are? Again I'm not against someone having one on I'd just like the choice, since we seem to be losing our choices on most everything else. And for the record I had a near miss while running a car with a diaper, kicked the rods in the lights crossed just behind me and tagged the wall hard apparently the Rat motor inards over loaded the diapers capacity. Joe

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I can not represent racers a the SRAC meetings with info like; my buddy said , my wife said, my ex-wife said, etc. It won't fly!....We need; I was there. I saw Stock # ...SS # Oil the track and cause a delay. Then, We need info as to why they oiled the track - Engine Failure - Tranny Failer? - Rear End? SRAC only needs and can deal with FACTS! As they say $h*t in $h*t out. BTW - I was at the Dutch two years ago, and the only delays I remember were due to weather. Blown up 526, you're not Graham Light by chance, are you? (laughing). JB