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X-TECH MAN 09-12-2010 02:02 PM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 209940)
Mr Ash this is Class racing!! Shoe polish and driving skill will not overcome a 100 hp. disadvantage at the rear wheels in a heads up race. I have raced all of the combinations of the cars that fit A/SA in the past year.

The outcome was this: Lost to Johns 1st round at BG and he was at B/SA weight. Lost to Warford 1st round of class at Indy with him easing off the throttle. Lost to Wolfe 1st round of eliminations at Norwalk Nationals. Lost in the fourth round in Seattle to Kevin Cour. He was only running 4 mph faster at the 1/8 mile and ran a slower mph.at the finish line.
I am hoping that Sean Cour reads this and will give me some direction on how to make my car competitive with the new CJ/DP cars in a heads up race.

This old dog is always begging for new tricks!!
Nitrous, more cubic inches, ported heads? I doubt porting the heads would help any of the old cars in this case......OOP's some are already doing the latter and it dosent help seem to help them against the new cars.

Dgal 09-12-2010 02:33 PM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
Jeff,

You do make a good point. I am still leaning towards the broken promises which I would lay odds that it is along the lines of class dominance by these cars. If you are right that it is heated due to the number of classes it could also be resistance to, dare I say it, crate motor classes. Because that is what these are basically, crate motors.

Don

Marine One 09-12-2010 03:43 PM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
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Originally Posted by Dgal (Post 209680)
Novel idea, but they didn't build that many and all of them are spoken for. There are a couple that are available at extremely high prices on the Drag Paks and those aren't done.

There are more that are affected by this that would love that choice that have never posted on Class Racer. There are not enough cars available for the ones that have posted in this thread.
Not all of the DP cars are "factory". Go buy a 6 cyl car, gut it and build it. All you get with a "factory" DP car is more or less a body and an engine anyway.

Alan Roehrich 09-12-2010 11:47 PM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Ash (Post 209938)
Sorry, I must have missed the part where all sporstman races are heads up, and the presumtion "if he is running at weight"!

Peter
All races between cars of the same class are heads up no break out. For example, any time a C/SA faces another C/SA in any eliminations at an NHRA event, it is a heads up no break out race. Yes, the new cars have put top of the line traditional combinations on the trailer with ease during final eliminations.

Alan Roehrich 09-13-2010 08:48 AM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charley Downing (Post 209650)
You people kill me. Numbers are down in our sport so NHRA/Ford/Dodge do something to help save the class and give it some life (Because they do care about us somewhat). And all you A** CLOWNS can't see the big pitcher. It’s all about you and your combo and how NHRA screwed you. Who cares if we lose 5-10 racers per year in S/SS. We can go back to the way it was two years ago and in 5 years your fast Stock and SSer will be nothing more than a $60,000 bracket one car. Because we as a class would not change with the times. Are these cars under factored, yes. But people will not build new cars unless they have some kind of advantage. How much GM stuff is being built right now, zero because there is no advantage. I for one would like to race in Stock and Superstock for the next 30 plus years and this is the only way that is going to happen. Programs like these help to bring in new people and more cars witch help us grow as a class. End of story A** CLOWNS.

So, you think they're helping to "grow" the classes. Well, Bobby DeArmond is not racing, he has one of the two fastest automatic 69 Camaros in the country. Arnold Greene is selling his 69 Camaro and getting out. Ralph Popora has both his 69 Camaro and his 66 Corvette for sale (not sure what he's doing, but it's pretty interesting that they went up for sale a week after the screwing that was Indy :rolleyes:). That's just a couple of people I can think of right now. And you think this is good for the sport. What a surprise. :eek:

There are a lot of other cars either parked or for sale, and their owners either sitting it out, or getting out completely. These are the people who helped build these classes. This is how NHRA thanks them, by forcing them out. And you cheer NHRA on. Go figure. :rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is, the only truly new people these new cars bring in will be gone as soon as the insurmountable advantage is gone. Most of them would not have built a car if it didn't have such an advantage. Some kind of advantage would be 1-2 tenths over the average traditional car. Not 4-5 tenths over the best traditional cars, out of the box, in bracket mode. :eek:

We can see who the clown is here. Only no one is laughing at you, yet. Most of them are just shaking their head. :cool:

Jim Carter 09-13-2010 10:32 AM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 210230)
So, you think they're helping to "grow" the classes. Well, Bobby DeArmond is not racing, he has one of the two fastest automatic 69 Camaros in the country. Arnold Greene is selling his 69 Camaro and getting out. Ralph Popora has both his 69 Camaro and his 66 Corvette for sale (not sure what he's doing, but it's pretty interesting that they went up for sale a week after the screwing that was Indy :rolleyes:). That's just a couple of people I can think of right now. And you think this is good for the sport. What a surprise. :eek:

There are a lot of other cars either parked or for sale, and their owners either sitting it out, or getting out completely. These are the people who helped build these classes. This is how NHRA thanks them, by forcing them out. And you cheer NHRA on. Go figure. :rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is, the only truly new people these new cars bring in will be gone as soon as the insurmountable advantage is gone. Most of them would not have built a car if it didn't have such an advantage. Some kind of advantage would be 1-2 tenths over the average traditional car. Not 4-5 tenths over the best traditional cars, out of the box, in bracket mode. :eek:

We can see who the clown is here. Only no one is laughing at you, yet. Most of them are just shaking their head. :cool:
Amen.

Thank you Alan. Well put!.

JC

X-TECH MAN 09-13-2010 11:14 AM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
All I know is that I was ready to buy (not build at this age) an A/S 65 Corvette or A. R. Greens car (Been lookig at a couple of others also) myself but when I saw the joke at Indy Im stepping back for now. Im going to wait and see what NHRA is going to do about it all. I have cash in hand but right now Im keeping it in the bank rather than just pi$$ it away. None of it makes any sense as to WHY they are dragging thier feet to correct this joke.

treessavoy 09-13-2010 11:59 AM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
The quick fix ( and I'm not saying it's right or wrong) to this problem is to simply do away with head's up runs and have everyone run off dial-in's, therefore the advantage of these killer combo's would be negated.

The only problem with this is some smart DP/CJ racer might dial slow then put a fender on everyone and bump the throttle to the finish line but this would still be better than what we have.

JimR

Alan Roehrich 09-13-2010 12:02 PM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by treessavoy (Post 210276)
The quick fix ( and I'm not saying it's right or wrong) to this problem is to simply do away with head's up runs and have everyone run off dial-in's, therefore the advantage of these killer combo's would be negated.

The only problem with this is some smart DP/CJ racer might dial slow then put a fender on everyone and bump the throttle to the finish line but this would still be better than what we have.

JimR
No thanks. It would just destroy the classes even faster. It would be like taxes, you never get a tax repealed, and once you made class racing a pure bracket race, they'd never change it back, ever.

Andys dad 09-13-2010 02:42 PM
Re: Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes
 
Oh yea - make it a high dollar bracket class "No headsup"

No need to weigh - no need to fuel check except maybe in qualifying - hell let's change that too and make it go off of reaction time

Think of the money NHRA will save - no need for a class guide or anymore tear downs.

No one would care what class you are (or are suppose to be)

Would not have to invest in anymore expensive "go fast" parts or technology

No Headsup great idea ... NOT

BTW

I am selling mine too - trouble is who would want it?

It will be worth more as a possible "resto"


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