Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

1993 nhra rule book. "All cars in stock classes must be factory-production assembled, showroom available and in the hands of the general public."

1994 nhra rulebook. "All cars in stock classes must be factgory-production assembled, showroom available and in the hands of the general public. A minimum 500 units of a particular body style must be produced."

In 1997 or earlier the nhra rule book added the following paragraph and remained the same through 2007. "O.E.M. may apply for inclusion of any special production runs into the official nhra stock car classification guide. Special run must include a minimum of 50 units of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent."

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

It's pretty safe to say all Stocker combinations make a LOT more HP than they are rated at and its my understanding that NHRA adds HP if a combination runs too far under the index.

So, is it a bogus HP rating issue or is the irritation because CJ/DP/COPO can be bought over the counter & doesn't require a racer to tear down a donor car & build it up from scratch?

In either case the cars will probably have a ton of modifications and/or trick parts & money spent on them so I'm not entirely sure how it's different from one vs. the other once they're ready to race.

How many of the newer cars hold class records compared to older cars? I think this mostly pertains to A/Stock and lower since AAA, AA, BB, and CC seem to be made for the newer cars with higher HP but maybe I'm mistaken.

I guess I'm just not sure what the actual problem is since most of the new cars run in AAA to CC and the remaining classes seem to be filled with cars from the muscle car era that hold records in almost all of those classes.

In the past, were there certain combinations that dominated classes & left other racers to feel like everything was good until that combination came along & ruined it for everyone?

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

Do you actually race with us? I doubt it. If so, you have not been paying attention. There are DPs that started out in H/SA. In Super Stock we have them down as far as SS /JA. Probably lower that I have not seen. It is an easy way for checkbook racers with no experience to get fast quick and easy.

Besides, the HP rating in Stock is not what they are supposed to be making on the track with blueprinting and the camshafts and valve springs now allowed, but what they are supposed to put out from the factory. You don't appear to have a very good understanding of what we are doing.

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

Actually one of the CJ combos started off in J/S Ed. :eek: Jim

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Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

Wow!

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

For a new guy that is getting ready to start racing Stock in 2013. Why are the "new cars" unfair?

Do they not get grouped in with the others that are of the same power?

I just saw that the 4.0 blower 327 COPO's has had the HP rating changed due to faster times. Is the adjustment nowhere close to where it needs to be? (I'm guessing not after reading the other posts here?)

Is there a place that has Class racing info for the Newbie? The info I have found is awful.

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

They are supposed to be grouped with cars at similar ratings, usually. Take the 5.7 liter Hemi DP. Started out at 305 hp, in F/SA, June 2010. It got an adjustment the first race out. A year later it was 404. Now, it's 417 or something, runs BB and CC, and can STILL qualify near the top. Some of the new cars are close to what many would consider a fair rating. Others...not as close.

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

Jim Wahl, one of cj conv. started out in L/SA and K/S not J. Tom

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

After doing some research, yes, you are correct.Jim


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Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

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