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Dirk Olson 09-30-2015 12:39 PM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
Ed,

It would great to work this out. We as stick racers are a minority. But I believe that given the right venue, we could make this work. Maybe we start slow by doing a S/SS Stick shootouts at Div races to spark interest?To find a location that is for everyone probably will not work just because of logistics but as they said about a spot in a corn field in Iowa "if you build it they will come". I believe that is the same for racers just not in the numbers we would like but we need to start somwhere.

Dirk

Mike Taylor 3601 09-30-2015 01:10 PM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DonatoEng (Post 483784)
Last time I ran my stick shift Dakota, I was invited to the barn to pull the trans so Tech could look at it. No one else in tear down could figure out what I was doing until I rolled out with it and put it on the bench.


Anyone else do that before ?

Shouldn't have to pull trans to find out if is clutchless, just need to go for ride with you and have accelerate in each gear and let off throttle, if it is clutchless the shifter will ratchet back and forth when you let off gas because back side of sliders and rings are ramped and will try to kick out of gear when you aren't in a pull,if you are holding shifter it will ratchet as slider an ring jump over ramps, except for high gear.
Also all the clutchless trans I have ever seen have to have rod from shifter for every gear,4 speed has 4 rods plus reverse 5 has 5 rods plus reverse.

Mark Yacavone 09-30-2015 01:23 PM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DonatoEng (Post 483784)
Last time I ran my stick shift Dakota, I was invited to the barn to pull the trans so Tech could look at it. No one else in tear down could figure out what I was doing until I rolled out with it and put it on the bench.


Anyone else do that before ?

All you have to do on a true clutchless, is put it in each gear, engine off, and rock it back and forth.
Like Mike said, it won't catch again on the ramps of the previous gear.
Been checked at Indy that way, years ago, right at the scales.

Sean Marconette 09-30-2015 01:38 PM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
Ed,
It would be interesting to see how many ACTIVE stick racers there are per division and per races completed in a season. This could be by divisional as not everyone competes at the national level. There seems to be a fair share of stick cars in S/SS at most D5 races that I have attended. How does that stack up with other divisions? Car count vs % of stick cars competing would be cool.

As for a stick car race, if you are the guy putting forth the effort I would say put it in your backyard and screw anyone that does not understand why it needs to be somewhere else. You cannot and will not please everyone. I would not be a very good promoter!! Those of us in the area I believe would support you if you chose to persue having something.

Thanks again Ed
Sean


To not derail this thread any further. I believe Mike Tailors post on shifting without a clutch nailed it, the T5 I had was not faceplated but every other syncro was removed. I never hurt the internal rail or shift forks. How light the base pressure is makes a difference between clutched vs clutchless shifting and CW will be different as well.

Christopher Stewart 10-01-2015 09:17 PM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
Good on remembering Jimmy Bridges #2018, he's in Div.2
Other Div. 2's, Ken Vaughn & Mike Lynch,
Might add Div 4's Dick Lux
Anyone mention Jimmy Gower?
Yup, Larry shook'em up good at INDY '14

69ss/rs 10-02-2015 10:00 AM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
You also forgot the Golliday brothers Harry & Larry from Div 1

Mike Jones 10-02-2015 11:12 PM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stefan callender (Post 483744)
Division One

Wayne Truesdell
Joe Mendillo
Timmy Abbazia

Alan Peters... not officially retired.

Mike A114
P/SA

jailbreakracing 10-03-2015 12:26 AM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
Ed
I'm Marcus Allen and my car is the SS/D 69 camaro out of Colorado. I have spoken to racers in the past and nhra about doing something like this. My plan was to do it after the western swing at Kearney, Ne. I choose this location due to speaking with Hyatt Racing about stopping there on their way to Brainerd, Mn. My brother Frank and I found about 50 different S/SS racers just in the surrounding states that could attend. At the time the track manager wasn't willing to risk that type of race but has since changed his mind set when we started to bring 20 cars from CO to the track to hold a stick race.

Every so often I think about doing something like this but don't see it working, because of a lack of racer interest. You have a list and my two cents is pick a divisional near those who respond back to a message sent to those racers. Have the race after the first time shot Sat with NHRA approval. If they (NHRA) don't think that's fair because of these racers having a competition before everyone else, then try Earlville, IA (if they have another national open in 2016) with the midwest class racers. The folks at midwest class racers were interested in it when Frank brought it to them and at a national open their is plenty of time. My original spot was Topeka, Ks because it was centrally located in the US. But reality is find the most dense populated reference a response to s letter and since your doing the work find a track between them and you. Don't give up and good luck.

P.S. payout is only an incentive to a few of the stick racers. Those who truly love stick cars will make the trip if told this is a one time deal. I traveled to Indy 1100 miles one way for a stick race put on by umtr one year.

older racer 10-04-2015 06:28 PM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
al stienmetz div 5 olds F/S

Ed Carpenter 10-12-2015 11:24 PM

Re: Stick shift drivers by division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deuces wild (Post 483124)
Making a list of stick shift drivers for a future endeavor. I know I have forgot several so help me out.

D1

Ray Scardelli
Tony Fillipone
Bobby Fazio
Todd Bednaz
Ed Bednaz
Anthony Scinto
Dennis Petras
Jerry MacNeish
J Wayne Totaro
Dean Cook
Adam Strang
Jeffrey Coyne
Joe Cokinos
Rich Aman
Bob Broadbent
John Bubka
John Pressing
Scott Gray
Paul Adams
Jim Evanik
Denny Ford
Steve Ficacci
Robert Constantine
Sam Murray
Aris Ardurian
Don Fardie
Bill Belden
Doc Horn
Ed Kozial
Dean Cook Jr
Bill Taylor
Jim Roberts
Sean Gaffney
John Kunsak
Dave Casey
Tim Bishop
Dave Jones
Jimmy Spell
James Jeschke Jr
Scott Grove
Wayne Truesdell
Joe Mendillo
Timmy Abbazia
Jim Zane
Rich Oakes
Mike Popp
Golliday brothers


D2

Ronnie Courtney
Everitt Hill
Jeff Warren
Keith Bennett
Rich Davis
Tom Gould
Brian Rogers
Casey Miles
Stephen Johnson
John Douglas
Gary Seward
Chuck Trotter
John Willis
Kevin Willis
Bob Hardee
Reggie wrinkles
Ricky Pennington
Cameron Collins
Robert Simpson
Dane Pearson
Matt Hensley
Kenny Bonar
Ken Vaughn
Mike Lynch


D3

Brad Z
Bill Z
Charley Downing
Gary Tampa
Aaron Allison
Caleb McFarland
Ben Wenzel
Tom Russell
Gary Russell
Joe Martens
Kyle Jeltma
Mart Jeltma
Steve Tucholsky
Jason McCormack
Bill Semprott
Lewis Conkey
Dan Jacobs
Stephen Belanger
Larry Wilson
Robin Brown
Jimmie Bridges
Paul Mercury
Ray Paquet
Richard Feldman
AH Adkins
Ernie Neal
David Neal
David Manning
David De Fran
Tony De Pillow
Donnie Beeler
Tommy Turner
Dave Walther
Brett McFarland
Denny Hillman
Ellis Buth
Doug Auxier
Rosalyn Greens
Jim/Joe Schaector
Gary Summers
Steven Koch
Dallas Kelly
Brandon Wilkinson
Bobby Mahlosky
Ryan Walther
Steve McFarland
,Jack Larsen
Ken Vaughn
Jimmy Gower
Timothy Weinzapfel
Jim Pancake
Mike Skinners
Bill Davis
Luke Ubelor
John Corcoran Jr
Charlie Wescott
Charlie Wescott Jr



D4

Stan Holt
Sheila Holt
Jarrod Granier
Jeff Colvert
Red LeBlanc
Dennis Oliver
Tim Ames
Steve Kent
John Duzac
Don Davison
Kevin Helms
Dick Lux
Ken Howell
Ed Carpenter
Jb Clegg
Tim Ames
Kelly Pott-Hall
Wayne Larson
Shane Heckel
Shaun LeBlanc
Stephen Hebert
Joe Teuton


D5

Tim Nicholson
Wayne Denklau
Gene Bichlmeier
Jim Parsons
Bill Feist
Dirk Olson
Don Duke
Scott Dugdale
Rob Turkal
Lyn Johnson
Randy Shepard
Paul Morella
John Hradkey
Tom Barrett
Jason Shepard
Kent Stone
Trista Henderson
Larry Henderson
Jim Grande
Bill Dyer
Dave Weeks
Jim Langer
Mark Jenkins
Paul Anderson
Jamie Greening
Tim Toto
Matt Steen
Jim Hughes
Jim Hawkins
Tony Hernandez
Marcus Allen
Jeff Parker
Mike Coe
Jay Tittle
Jerry Mooney
Rick Wessels
Justin/Dane McIntosh
Jim Voth
Stuart Goertzen
Troy Henderson
Sean Marconette
Dave Cech
Johnny Diekema
Bill Bogner
Russ Campbell
Kevin Borgstrom
Terry Johnson
Gordon Breithaupt
Dave Smith
Don Anderson
David Picht
Tyler Cassil
Larry DeForrest
Lynn Engel
Larry Curtis


D6

Terry Anderson
Dave Barcelon
Mike Parameter
Jerry Joslyn
Gary Howe
Jim Devine
Bob Gullett
Mike Hering
Cam Chowen
Carl Downard
Brian Seaberg
Bob Gullet
Allen Messer
Shawn Allsup
Rob Youngblood
Mike Pruss
Mike Corbett
Gary McCoy
Rory McNeil
Jim Coughlin
Aubrey Bruneau

D7

Jeff Lee
Bob Wall
Paul Wong
John McLaughlin
Dennis Alvey,
Andy Kimbell
Don Keen
Al Keen
Chris Whitney
Robert Pond
Jeff Huffman
Curtis Coulter
Dave Moreno
Clark Holroyd
Craig Scheer
John Calvert
Dave Moreno
Dave Mann
Mark Prothero
Greg Tims


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The spell check on my table butchered some names lol. Thanks for any help adding


So much for no one runs a stick anymore......


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