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nolongerracing 04-06-2018 12:21 PM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norton (Post 560013)
That's just NHRA admitting that Terry was right when IHRA introduced the crate motor classes over twenty years ago. Our end of the sport is faced with a singular problem that has been addressed in multiple ways. Terry's solution was simpler, made allowances for the people who couldn't afford "enhanced" parts, and a ton cheaper!

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I think there were "enhanced" parts in crate motor class too!!

X-TECH MAN 04-06-2018 06:20 PM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
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Originally Posted by nolongerracing (Post 560014)
I think there were "enhanced" parts in crate motor class too!!

Not when I was working for IHRA but that was a long time ago.

Chuck Norton 04-06-2018 07:38 PM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 560024)
Not when I was working for IHRA but that was a long time ago.

No system, regardless of how carefully it is designed and how thoughtfully it is implemented, can long survive a period of either benign or pernicious neglect. There are sufficient numbers of individuals who are intent on gaining an advantage by any means available to render even the most comprehensive rule book irrelevant practically overnight. This is especially true of the Rules of Engagement in Stock Eliminator.

GallopinGhost 04-06-2018 07:53 PM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
well said, as is un-comfortable or satisfying it may be.

Ed Carpenter 04-06-2018 08:07 PM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
I know two SS racers who switched to aluminum heads over the winter and both slow d down........their not happy either 😳

MR DERBY CITY 04-06-2018 08:32 PM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck norton (Post 560033)
no system, regardless of how carefully it is designed and how thoughtfully it is implemented, can long survive a period of either benign or pernicious neglect. There are sufficient numbers of individuals who are intent on gaining an advantage by any means available to render even the most comprehensive rule book irrelevant practically overnight. This is especially true of the rules of engagement in stock eliminator.

amen !!

Dwight Southerland 04-06-2018 09:01 PM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Norton (Post 560033)
No system, regardless of how carefully it is designed and how thoughtfully it is implemented, can long survive a period of either benign or pernicious neglect. There are sufficient numbers of individuals who are intent on gaining an advantage by any means available to render even the most comprehensive rule book irrelevant practically overnight. This is especially true of the Rules of Engagement in Stock Eliminator.

Yes. And both Stock a Super Stock rules are under constant attack for advantage. Edelbrock pn 60947 heads that were accepted last year for the SBC and the current Jones Engineering heads for SS are angle plug heads. Even though NHRA rules specifically state that the spark plug angles cannot be changed and NO Chevrolet small block V8 EVER came off an assembly line with angle plug heads. Can you imagine a 327-275hp engine in Stock Eliminator with angle plug aluminum heads??? Write your division director, the national tech department, the NHRA national techincal vice-president, the NHRA CEO, your mother and any one else you can think of to object. Such actions and decisions will destroy the eliminators faster than you can imagine.

Todd Hoven 04-07-2018 04:40 AM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
One of the candidates for a replacement head for Pontiac round port was a head made by Kaufman Racing. Everything was a go but Bruce rejected it because of angled spark plugs. Guess that is not a problem anymore as long as you race a Chevrolet.



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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 560043)
Yes. And both Stock a Super Stock rules are under constant attack for advantage. Edelbrock pn 60947 heads that were accepted last year for the SBC and the current Jones Engineering heads for SS are angle plug heads. Even though NHRA rules specifically state that the spark plug angles cannot be changed and NO Chevrolet small block V8 EVER came off an assembly line with angle plug heads. Can you imagine a 327-275hp engine in Stock Eliminator with angle plug aluminum heads??? Write your division director, the national tech department, the NHRA national techincal vice-president, the NHRA CEO, your mother and any one else you can think of to object. Such actions and decisions will destroy the eliminators faster than you can imagine.


Dan Fahey 04-07-2018 08:54 AM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
This is where I will miss the IHRA Pure Stock.
Basically the Old Stock Eliminator Rules.

Seems about that same time in Class Racing.
NASCAR Stock Cars had less and less original components!
Now not one part in modern day Stock Car ever fit on a Production Car.

Same with our car.
We need Roll Bars, special suspensions, more safety equipment, certification of helmets and seat belts, special fuel.
Cannot even use pump gas anymore.

Crate Motors were always a natural fit.
Replacement engines were always common.
Did not morphed the Stock Eliminator concept.
Sometimes you are stuck with a combination.
Old parts become problematic!
Plus opened up a vendor base.

We may not want another class but new ones are always being invented.
The RAGE of Racers complaining they do not want a new class.
New ones keep popping up.
Which means Stock Eliminator has to compete for Racers who choose to run those classes.

Current rules restrict inviting the new generation of Racer to play in our sand box.

You do not do not see many 20 - 30 year olds.
Do see 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s and passing away.

IHRA had the right idea with their Class Eliminator set up.
Had NHRA adopted the IHRA structure.
There would have been shift from traditional Stock.


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Jon Sarrett 04-07-2018 11:15 AM

Re: Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 560043)
Yes. And both Stock a Super Stock rules are under constant attack for advantage. Edelbrock pn 60947 heads that were accepted last year for the SBC and the current Jones Engineering heads for SS are angle plug heads. Even though NHRA rules specifically state that the spark plug angles cannot be changed and NO Chevrolet small block V8 EVER came off an assembly line with angle plug heads. Can you imagine a 327-275hp engine in Stock Eliminator with angle plug aluminum heads??? Write your division director, the national tech department, the NHRA national techincal vice-president, the NHRA CEO, your mother and any one else you can think of to object. Such actions and decisions will destroy the eliminators faster than you can imagine.

Actually, LT-1 heads are angle plug.


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