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IHRA is/was basically a east coast deal. Come out west and fight for a spot at a national event. Be ready to put some miles on the tow vehicle. Surely don't need any more classes. Heads up racing is what Stock and SuperStock are all about. We need fewer classes and get back to hard work and attention to detail again.

Paul

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Gump:
NHRA is always changing rules.
Not just about feeling...about rationale!
Class Racer vents many conversations about why NHRA does this or that.
Why wont NHRA change the rules to suit their opinion?

In another words I have as much right as anyone else out hear asking those questions!
You don’t make changes without asking, petitioning and being part of a solution.

At one time IHRA like many companies were managed by the owners who were dedicated to the product or service they started.

Today they are owned by Sharholders and conglomerates that care less about the intent of the organization.
They have become money conduits and manage by a different set of rules.
Their rules only apply!

I do not know how many times racers have posted asking why NHRA considers Stock and SS as the bastard child over the Pro Classes.

Beware of your opinion of IHRA as NHRA may end up the same way.
Tossed out and now you are looking in from the outside!

D

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Gump is correct. Attend an NHRA race, and tell us where they could even park more classes, much less find time to run them.

They aren't going to add those silly classes.

IHRA is going away just like AHRA did. And, just like the AHRA racers when that happened, IHRA racers will have to quit, or build their cars to fit NHRA classes, or just go bracket racing. That simple.

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Dan,

You obviously don't know my history with the IHRA!

You are welcome to your opinions. But, I will tell you that the post Bader IHRA has nothing on the NHRA.

The main reason that I have let Chip and Emily run my cars over there is that I like guys like Danny and know that low car counts put their jobs in jeopardy.

Best Regards,

Daren Poole-Adams

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First off I feel for the IHRA racers that lost their platform of racing. I couldn't imagine building an engine combination to be told its no longer valid because of a venture capitalists decision. In the future it could even happen to NHRA class cars. The issue at hand is the crate motor cars aren't in the essence of NHRA stock eliminator and there are already too many class designations. Not all IHRA crate motor cars can throw a legal NHRA engine in and race but a lot can. NHRA needs to consolidate it's current classes as many have said. Mix sticks with auto's and factor the 2008 and newer cars appropiately so they have a normal class designation on the window. Will this instantly help fans understand the classes? No, but it'll be easier if NHRA decides to promote them and will generate a few more heads up with the stick cars being put in.

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I agree that NHRA doesn't need crate motors or Stock/GT. That being said, NHRA had too many classes BEFORE they even introduced purpose-built racecars that are even less "Stock" than crate motor cars, and then they added over 40 classes -- which makes that argument disingenuous at best. We never needed more classes. Combinations just needed to be factored properly. Quite the opposite, we've needed less classes for years, but ironically most of the same country club racers that decry bracket racing fight any change that would result in more heads-up racing. Everybody's got their own agenda.

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What Brand said. Apparently we were typing basically the same thing at the same time. :cool:

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What Brand said x2. There are some really nice, good working crate motor cars in this area that could easily convert over. The major components are there just need the right combo in them.

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You are right I know little about you.
Based on your names you have an American lineage back to the 1700's.
In US my family goes back to the 1500's.
Be interesting to know more about your family heritage.

Yet also have been around a good while and know this history.
In fact so old I Carbon Date my wife!!
Agree 100% about the post Bader IHRA was governed well.

There is a whole new world out here.
Investors of IHRA are about making more money for their investment.
Class Racing requires paying for a strong knowledge base.
Drag Racing is not a high profit business profile.
Run right will provide a steady stream and Bader was good at that.

Investor greed is also why NHRA Class Racing is on the chopping block!

Also agree there are too many classes.
Performance wise my F/PS car would fall in R or Q/SA.
CM and GT cars could fall in a bunch of higher classes.
All the fitments are already defined.
NHRA already has a separate FWD, Truck, FS classes.

Integrate all of them under the existing A-Z class structure.
Rule changes will require moving all under a tighter A-Z system.
Adopt the GT, PS, CM classes.
More cars competing means more voice more revenue.
Especially to the Tracks that are not as widely attended.

Would be happy put some skin in the game being a non-automotive contingency sponsor for Pure Stock with NHRA.

Someone else has to step up for CM and GT..!

Dan

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I actually came to the USA from England when I was fourteen. The Poole-Adams name started with my Great Grandfather. My Mother is big into the lineage deal and spends days going through records at the old Churches and town halls all over England. She has done my family tree going way back. It's pretty cool stuff.

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I blame this mess on Bugaj. He started this thread and he's always been a trouble maker.....He used to pick on my dog and kids when we went to IHRA races. Here's my 2 cents. If you guys want to race with the NHRA that bad, man up and build an NHRA combo. It's just that simple. And, there is life after NHRA/ IHRA class racing. It's about choices.

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Yup..
I am not running NHRA !
Got many other Choices !

D

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What evidence is showing that NHRA class is on the chopping block?

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Lol, Top Stock was fun ! I did start it to stir the pot, just for fun, never believed it would last this long !

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Todd:
Only evidence is what others have said on these posts?
Ask them.
I am just repeating their comments.

D

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Question for Ed Wright: What's it going to take to make Dan's car run the index in NHRA trim? Looks like it runs pretty well as a pure stocker.
Gear? Cam? ??????Just curious if you could make this combo run the index without going crazy on it.

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I have no idea what that index is. I don't know how fast he is. I don't know what class it fits. I don't watch Stock enough to know. I don't recall even seeing one at the races, but as I said, I don't normally watch Stock. Or anything but SS. I can barely keep up with my own stuff.

When I tried running IHRA a few years ago, the indexes were slower (mine was 3 tenths slower than NHRA), and there were several IHRA cars that could run both, that could not run under their NHRA index.

Dan says he will not run NHRA, so I guess that part doesn't matter. :-)

I really don't understand somebody putting a car together that could not run both. Kinda painting yourself in a corner.

Where did the "NHRA Sportsman cars on the chopping block" story come from? LOL
Somebody's jealous wishful thinking.

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Gee Bob who made you the NHRA police. Bottom line your just a scared little man !!! Why not Zipp it and enjoy racing. Let the cards fall where they may. :cool:

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To be fully Stock compatible and somewhat competitive!
Another $15000.00
Want to have fun and there are other options!

Lots of really good conversations today.
Stay tuned...Pure Stock lives!

D

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HA. HA. HA

I have been called many things in my life....

But, "scared little man" ain't one of them....

HA. HA. HA

Just like the the song Night Moves.....

Working on mysteries without any clues....

Not a clue.....

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Very well said Todd Lane. My thoughts as well. Lets just all race and have fun, isn't that what its all about ? Stop being so scared of us, we run the same rules as the rest of you do. :cool:

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Brandon your right on the money here. Im thinking they are scared because we are so stock. :cool:

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Mike, those boys must be all grown up now ! Hope everyone is doing well.,

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LMAO! You obviously don't know Bob! Chopping Block?? Lets wait and see the Vegas Sportsman turnout. NHRA has seen what has not worked for IHRA so why would they even consider more classes?

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NHRA has had FORD Crate motor classes since 2010 starting with the 352 and 428, They just call it FS. SMH...

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I've said this before but here it is again, I don't think nobody is scared so save that lame excuse. I have some people that have crate motor cars that I consider to be good friends but they knew the deal when they went that route. When I built my car I did so where as to I could race anywhere I chose to under the current rules. Seems too often these days that when something doesn't meet one's agenda everyone else is suppose to conform to their way or its not fair. Like my boy Michael Brand said we don't need more classes we need less so there's a chance of an actual heads up run in a performance based class.
Go find the right combo and come race!

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GT, CM and PS were not the reason IHRA Sportsman did not work.
All these classes already exist in some form in NHRA.
Lot of drivers had great luck with them.

NHRA can just merge/adopt them all under A-Z.
Like I said earlier..my car performance wise would fall in R/SA.
Add a few changes and boom you have a more cars competing.

FS somehow gets accepted and cannot be licensed for the street.
How is that fall under Stock? (another topic)
But you have a lot of them running adding to the car count.

Always thought it was sad you could not run a 455 Buick in a 1987 GS.
Until GT class came along yet NHRA does it in SS.
The concept of what the Stock Eliminator is has evolved a lot.

How you can accept the FS cars and not GT, CM, PS is not rational?
It is something else !

D

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Tune up your combo and driving?
Really Frank?
Your saying my cars are slow. And I can’t drive
So your a retired wind bag Now go dial up Kenny. Cause I’m picking on you
Believe it or not Frank and Dan mr Pure stock
I get more compliments at very race a I attend about my point of views on Class racer
But yet not one of you keyboard beaters ever show your face at an Nhra race
Frank unlike you dummies I work on my cars ALL THE TIME. AND RACE A CARE
BECAUSE YOU NON RACERS AFFECT US RACERS.
I will continue to pick at your stupidity and opinions Next

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How do you figure ?

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Dan you keep saying your car falls in R performance wise. Where does it fit in the classification guide?

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IHRA F/PS
Performance wise R/SA !
So easy to do!!
Allow my PS to run as a R/SA car.

D

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I want to hear this explanation too Yac!

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I still don't get it, I assume you're comparing indexes. Where does your car fall in the NHRA classification guide?

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Just a quickee......

I race NHRA Division 7...

I actually don't care that you chose the wrong combination to build...

Get over it....

As they said in the old days...........................

You can either step up, or you can step back...

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Those are not my choices..
Maybe yours .. not mine !

D

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If it was just full Stock K, L or M...

If NHRA adopted PS would fall under R.
My car fits all the other Stocker requirements.
So that is what I am pressing them for.

D

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Good luck with that but if you're serious about racing NHRA I would be spending some money to find some speed. It doesn't appear that you're that far away from running the index now so I wouldn't think it would take alot.

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I don't know that it would be that expensive. A cam, headers, aftermarket EFI, and TH-200 would get you close.

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This car in the right hands is a player. 1.30+ under easy.

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What is the car in question Make model engine?