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LO23, Maybe contact "mike s" and see what information he might have. |
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Good idea, I'll do that- but I think his information is incorrect. I know for sure that my car is the car that Jim Keyes owned since 1973, since I bought it directly from him, and he recalls the car being around the Detroit area since it was new, and all evidence points to Dick Smith and possibly Stan Antlocer racing it (and most likely owning it) just in Michigan, so I really think the car that went to Canada and to the Tuetons was a different one. Although I am not 100% on the Stan Antlocer connection. |
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Soft "Corinthian Leather".
Could not resist! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfKHBB4vt4c And now back to our regularly scheduled programming! |
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Has any pics of this Dart racing Grumpy been posted? I don't remember any.
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Thanks LO23, what caught my attention was the third (center, rear) hood pin on your car. That was also a distintive feature of the "Wild Fire" car run by Wing/Alten out of Town + Country Dodge, Farmington Mich. Dick Smith also got his car through T+C Dodge, I believe, at least he advertised for then on the rear quarter panel. I worked the lube rack at T+C Dodge 1969 - 1971 as a young guy and was permanently affected by the sound of Wild Fire rocking the building as the guys prepped it for weekend battle!
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Daryl,
I am pretty sure we have discussed this before (we have been here a few years) but do you have any idea where the picture that is for lack of a better term, super imposed onto this (body shop) picture? If you look closely you can see a closer shot of the right rear quarter panel and bumper. We have talked several times of the "silver Dart" two tone tunnel ram picture showing a possible dent just in front of the rear bumper on that side. Thinking if someone has that picture, we might be able to see if there was or was not a repair there. Look closely: http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...pswqkf5ajn.jpg http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...manMay1985.jpg |
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And NO I am not implying with the above picture it is Daryls car because of the wheel opening damage.
We already know better. This car has a home. |
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Hi Charlie A, Hi Liteweight
I'm Vali from Switzerland. I have the THT 4 Speed LO23 Dart. I have some questions, which I don't wanna share in this forum. May you can send me an e-mail, so I can contact you back about my car? garagejanser@bluewin.ch Best regards, Vali |
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Photo shared from a FOMOCO group on FB. I noticed the LO & BO in the background and thought I'd share. The OP said the photo was Indy 1970.
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Guessing the LO23 is the Teuton family / former Joe Ralph Thompson Dart. There was one other painted very similar but cant remember whose it was. Hall and Williams was similar paint: http://classracer.com/classforum/att...4&d=1394540876 |
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Fenton wheels on the back same as on the Dart at Indy picture above.
The longer I look at this, the more I think it was the one on the hauler in the picture in question. This is the Hall & Williams obviously with an injected attitude! http://classracer.com/classforum/att...7&d=1397312048 |
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Quick question to those of you with a title to your LO23 (or anybody else who may have the answer)-
Should the title read "LO23" or "L023" (as in L-zero-23)? My VIN tag looks more like a L-zero, but obviously people tend to call these cars "El-Oh-23" darts... and yes I've heard that Os were used instead of 0s because zero wasn't supposed to be part of a VIN in the olden days. But what should the TITLE read?? Thanks in advance for any help! |
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[QUOTE=LO23;537472]Quick question to those of you with a title to your LO23 (or anybody else who may have the answer)-
Should the title read "LO23" or "L023" (as in L-zero-23)? My VIN tag looks more like a L-zero, but obviously people tend to call these cars "El-Oh-23" darts... and yes I've heard that Os were used instead of 0s because zero wasn't supposed to be part of a VIN in the olden days. But what should the TITLE read?? Thanks in advance for any help![/QUOTE Should read what the VIN says Clint. Thats its legal ID. I take you got ypurs and its a zero.. Prolly operator input error. Should get it changed now while its fresh. Shoot me a pic of the tag in a pm if you wish. liteweight |
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Looks like a "zero" to me on the VIN. What does everybody think? |
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second digit is a letter in mopar vins back then eg RM23.
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the second digit letter indicates price line in mopar vins.
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Thanks for the input, gentlemen.
My understanding was/is that a VIN can NOT include the letters I, O, or Q because of their similarity to the numbers "1" and "0", so even though the official vehicle code and perhaps the fender tag (and title?) would be L-oh 23, the VIN tag should read L-zero 23.. Which would make sense, since the second character on my VIN tag looks more like a "zero" and the second character on my fender tag looks more like the letter "oh". Does anybody know for sure? Does anybody here have a car with an ORIGINAL title? My state office is waiting for me to get back to them with an answer, so they know how to create my title. Thanks! |
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It's the letter 0, not the numeral zero.
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Hey Clint.
Even tho it does physically look like a Zero the second digit on a Mopar from that era is always a letter designation. I agree with you it does look like a zero but it is not. First time Ive taken notice of that. The body numbers or shipping order numbers that are stamped both on the body and the fender tag are zeros, and look xactly like the "O" (oh) on the Vin plate on the dash Heres a web page you can check out http://www.allpar.com/mopar/vin-decoder.html LO23 is 100% for sure EL-OH23 liteweight |
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On a very sad note it has been brought to my attention another great has passed on to the next world. Arlen Vanke passed this morning.
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Sorry to hear about Arlen Vanke. |
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Another 1 from Facebook, not sure if it's ever been posted here.
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Sad to hear about Arlen...first one of many to sign my dart.
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An Oldie but a Goodie. Jus a couple Canadian based LO23s hangin out at Engelharts 2007 I believe
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Daryl,
Check your PM's Looks like that guy has a hot rod shop still. I'm hoping he has a good memory. See you at the races, Wayne Kerr |
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Its been a long ride but I do not remember this one.
Good catch: http://classracer.com/classforum/att...2&d=1497723361 |
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Need a forensic paint line expert. These Darts have similar paint lines. The only Jim Mattox I knew was a Texas Congressman who died in 08 at 65 I think. Could it be? Where is Mattox car? Phish |
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The post on Facebook said that Jim Mattox's son had the car and that the Hemi was sitting on a engine stand.
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