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Charlie A 06-01-2017 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mike s (Post 428763)
My original info was the car went to Canada, then to the Tueton's. Stan Antlocer had the car after Dick Smith.However it was wrong.Car is supposedly in eastern PA owned by the same guy that Stan sold it to.

On a sad note Dick passed away 3/6/14.I just found a post with the info.RIP Dick it was a pleasure to have known you.

Looks like in the second pic the car has much larger tires.


LO23,


Maybe contact "mike s" and see what information he might have.

LO23 06-01-2017 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 536146)
Hey Clint

I have some weatherstrip type of foam that I taped to the underside of the hood. The stuff you can buy at a Hardware store for sealing doors & windows in houses etc.

liteweight



Great idea- thanks!

LO23 06-01-2017 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie A (Post 536165)
LO23,


Maybe contact "mike s" and see what information he might have.



Good idea, I'll do that- but I think his information is incorrect. I know for sure that my car is the car that Jim Keyes owned since 1973, since I bought it directly from him, and he recalls the car being around the Detroit area since it was new, and all evidence points to Dick Smith and possibly Stan Antlocer racing it (and most likely owning it) just in Michigan, so I really think the car that went to Canada and to the Tuetons was a different one. Although I am not 100% on the Stan Antlocer connection.

hemitime 06-01-2017 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 536147)
Yup, I do believe you be right Charlie

Another one bites the the dust........................ Another one, another one, another one bites the dust............

sorry bout that...lol

liteweight

I wouldn't disregard this one yet , look closely at the bodyshop pic of Daryls car ,the base of the rear roof pillar seems to have a defined line on the base , the line curves up where it meets the quarter glass windows , just like the shape of vinyl roof chrome ,, doesn't go straight ,curves up ,just like the body shop pic as if there was chrome removed making a defined paint line . I have seen a few real lo23 cars that had the chrome added and vinyl roofs , some dealers wanted to make them resemble the production cars they were promoting , trunk lid trim added was another add on , making them fancy I guess, but no "Corinthian leather " though ,,,lol

Charlie A 06-01-2017 05:18 PM

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Soft "Corinthian Leather".


Could not resist! :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfKHBB4vt4c






And now back to our regularly scheduled programming!

jerry witzel 06-01-2017 08:07 PM

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Has any pics of this Dart racing Grumpy been posted? I don't remember any.

JCShiels 06-02-2017 01:45 AM

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Thanks LO23, what caught my attention was the third (center, rear) hood pin on your car. That was also a distintive feature of the "Wild Fire" car run by Wing/Alten out of Town + Country Dodge, Farmington Mich. Dick Smith also got his car through T+C Dodge, I believe, at least he advertised for then on the rear quarter panel. I worked the lube rack at T+C Dodge 1969 - 1971 as a young guy and was permanently affected by the sound of Wild Fire rocking the building as the guys prepped it for weekend battle!

JCShiels 06-02-2017 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 536132)
hey JC. Good to see you back for a visit..Your on the faithfull returning list for sure

Congrats on your venture. Good luck with it and most importantly have fun with it!!!!!
liteweight

The wife and I drove the project car from MI to TN this week and I participated in the Street Nights at Bristol last evening. A full second slower than my best et in Michigan, but my best MPH ever. I am having fun with it!

Charlie A 06-02-2017 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jerry witzel (Post 536182)
Has any pics of this Dart racing Grumpy been posted? I don't remember any.

Max Hurley?


http://classracer.com/classforum/att...5&d=1496362019

Terry Witzel 06-02-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 536041)
Always good to get another opinion on stuff, and I do believe your right on that Passenger Side window. It does look like it is solid , prolly a piece of thin plywood or something because the original corning glass broke. like you I can't make out the lettering.
I'm thinking that the tow truck in front of it was part of the racing operation. There is writing on the front fender of it, but I can't make it out.

I did contact Lab Machine and spoke with the owner there last year and He does remember doing engine work for a guy with a Hemi Dart in the 70's, but doesn't remember any more specifics on it..

There are similarities on this car compared to rumors and information that has been dug up on my car over the years. Among those This car does have a tunnel Ram with a couple of big ol Holleys sitting on top. My car has been reported to have had a Tunnel Ram on it also.
Too bad there is no hood to be seen in this picture because my car was reported to have had a second scoop moulded on top of the original scoop. The owner had a nickname of 2 Scoop Lido..
Back over to the Yellow Bullet forum where it was reported the owner of that Dart was a Bob Lambandino or something like that (Similar to Lido?) Maybe 2 scoop Dino????


When Tim Hennessy bought this car off Lou Vignogna back in the mid 80's it was white. At the time of my purchase in 2001, it was believed to have been Charlie Castaldo's Dart which was Silver and red back in the early 70's. I found and spoke with the guy (Paul Pittman) who actually stripped the colors off the car when Lou owned it and painted it that white. He remembers the car being a silver, but doesn'remember if it had any insert color or not or if it did what color it was. he said maybe had a Maroon painted insert

liteweight

PS Muchos Thanks to Terry Wetzel herefor giving me the heads up info on that picture.

Your welcome, wish I could have found out more. As soon as I saw that photo from New York National I knew it was the same Dart. The silver with dark (burgundy?) inset, unpolished Super Tricks and tunnel ram was all there.

Terry Witzel 06-02-2017 04:07 PM

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https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...7e&oe=59E27AAF

Charlie A 06-02-2017 04:52 PM

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Daryl,
I am pretty sure we have discussed this before (we have been here a few years) but do you have any idea where the picture that is for lack of a better term, super imposed onto this (body shop) picture? If you look closely you can see a closer shot of the right rear quarter panel and bumper. We have talked several times of the "silver Dart" two tone tunnel ram picture showing a possible dent just in front of the rear bumper on that side. Thinking if someone has that picture, we might be able to see if there was or was not a repair there.


Look closely:
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...pswqkf5ajn.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...manMay1985.jpg

Charlie A 06-02-2017 05:08 PM

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http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...midartside.jpg

Charlie A 06-02-2017 05:17 PM

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http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/...USA2011071.jpg

Charlie A 06-02-2017 05:22 PM

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And NO I am not implying with the above picture it is Daryls car because of the wheel opening damage.


We already know better.


This car has a home.

Mr.Hemidart 06-05-2017 08:09 AM

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Hi Charlie A, Hi Liteweight


I'm Vali from Switzerland. I have the THT 4 Speed LO23 Dart.


I have some questions, which I don't wanna share in this forum. May you can send me an e-mail, so I can contact you back about my car?
garagejanser@bluewin.ch


Best regards,
Vali

copperhead 06-05-2017 10:43 AM

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Photo shared from a FOMOCO group on FB. I noticed the LO & BO in the background and thought I'd share. The OP said the photo was Indy 1970.


http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...psfdcwq56r.jpg

Charlie A 06-05-2017 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by copperhead (Post 536448)
Photo shared from a FOMOCO group on FB. I noticed the LO & BO in the background and thought I'd share. The OP said the photo was Indy 1970.


http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...psfdcwq56r.jpg



Guessing the LO23 is the Teuton family / former Joe Ralph Thompson Dart. There was one other painted very similar but cant remember whose it was.


Hall and Williams was similar paint:


http://classracer.com/classforum/att...4&d=1394540876

Charlie A 06-05-2017 04:10 PM

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Fenton wheels on the back same as on the Dart at Indy picture above.
The longer I look at this, the more I think it was the one on the hauler in the picture in question.


This is the Hall & Williams obviously with an injected attitude!
http://classracer.com/classforum/att...7&d=1397312048

Charlie A 06-05-2017 04:13 PM

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Postcard photo:


http://classracer.com/classforum/att...2&d=1496664556

Charlie A 06-08-2017 05:52 PM

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https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8007/7...46af60ea_b.jpg

LO23 06-15-2017 04:02 PM

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Quick question to those of you with a title to your LO23 (or anybody else who may have the answer)-


Should the title read "LO23" or "L023" (as in L-zero-23)? My VIN tag looks more like a L-zero, but obviously people tend to call these cars "El-Oh-23" darts... and yes I've heard that Os were used instead of 0s because zero wasn't supposed to be part of a VIN in the olden days. But what should the TITLE read?? Thanks in advance for any help!

Liteweight 06-15-2017 06:25 PM

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[QUOTE=LO23;537472]Quick question to those of you with a title to your LO23 (or anybody else who may have the answer)-


Should the title read "LO23" or "L023" (as in L-zero-23)? My VIN tag looks more like a L-zero, but obviously people tend to call these cars "El-Oh-23" darts... and yes I've heard that Os were used instead of 0s because zero wasn't supposed to be part of a VIN in the olden days. But what should the TITLE read?? Thanks in advance for any help![/QUOTE

Should read what the VIN says Clint. Thats its legal ID. I take you got ypurs and its a zero.. Prolly operator input error. Should get it changed now while its fresh. Shoot me a pic of the tag in a pm if you wish.

liteweight

LO23 06-15-2017 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LO23 (Post 528778)




Looks like a "zero" to me on the VIN. What does everybody think?

marfen 06-15-2017 10:22 PM

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second digit is a letter in mopar vins back then eg RM23.

marfen 06-15-2017 10:25 PM

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the second digit letter indicates price line in mopar vins.

LO23 06-16-2017 03:48 AM

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Thanks for the input, gentlemen.


My understanding was/is that a VIN can NOT include the letters I, O, or Q because of their similarity to the numbers "1" and "0", so even though the official vehicle code and perhaps the fender tag (and title?) would be L-oh 23, the VIN tag should read L-zero 23.. Which would make sense, since the second character on my VIN tag looks more like a "zero" and the second character on my fender tag looks more like the letter "oh".


Does anybody know for sure? Does anybody here have a car with an ORIGINAL title? My state office is waiting for me to get back to them with an answer, so they know how to create my title. Thanks!

HEMIDARTDAVE 06-16-2017 12:26 PM

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It's the letter 0, not the numeral zero.

Liteweight 06-16-2017 08:57 PM

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Hey Clint.
Even tho it does physically look like a Zero the second digit on a Mopar from that era is always a letter designation. I agree with you it does look like a zero but it is not. First time Ive taken notice of that. The body numbers or shipping order numbers that are stamped both on the body and the fender tag are zeros, and look xactly like the "O" (oh) on the Vin plate on the dash

Heres a web page you can check out

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/vin-decoder.html

LO23 is 100% for sure EL-OH23

liteweight

Liteweight 06-16-2017 09:00 PM

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On a very sad note it has been brought to my attention another great has passed on to the next world. Arlen Vanke passed this morning.

lightweight

LO23 06-16-2017 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 537550)
Hey Clint.
Even tho it does physically look like a Zero the second digit on a Mopar from that era is always a letter designation. I agree with you it does look like a zero but it is not. First time Ive taken notice of that. The body numbers or shipping order numbers that are stamped both on the body and the fender tag are zeros, and look xactly like the "O" (oh) on the Vin plate on the dash

Heres a web page you can check out

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/vin-decoder.html

LO23 is 100% for sure EL-OH23

liteweight

Thank you Daryl, and everybody else who chimed in!

Sorry to hear about Arlen Vanke.

jerry witzel 06-17-2017 02:16 PM

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Another 1 from Facebook, not sure if it's ever been posted here.

marfen 06-17-2017 09:05 PM

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Sad to hear about Arlen...first one of many to sign my dart.

Liteweight 06-18-2017 10:16 PM

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An Oldie but a Goodie. Jus a couple Canadian based LO23s hangin out at Engelharts 2007 I believe

liteweight

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...psl7dm0jon.jpg

Wayne Kerr 06-19-2017 04:19 PM

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Daryl,
Check your PM's
Looks like that guy has a hot rod shop still. I'm hoping he has a good memory.

See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

Charlie A 06-19-2017 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 537725)
An Oldie but a Goodie. Jus a couple Canadian based LO23s hangin out at Engelharts 2007 I believe

liteweight

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...psl7dm0jon.jpg


THAT is one great picture!

Charlie A 06-19-2017 04:35 PM

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Its been a long ride but I do not remember this one.
Good catch:


http://classracer.com/classforum/att...2&d=1497723361

Spyphish 06-19-2017 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 332883)
That's a very cool paint job on this old '68 Hemi Dart...anyone else here know the owner/driver of the car from back then...

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...3&d=1340651192


Need a forensic paint line expert. These Darts have similar paint lines. The only Jim Mattox I knew was a Texas Congressman who died in 08 at 65 I think. Could it be? Where is Mattox car? Phish

jerry witzel 06-19-2017 08:30 PM

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The post on Facebook said that Jim Mattox's son had the car and that the Hemi was sitting on a engine stand.

marfen 06-20-2017 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 537725)
An Oldie but a Goodie. Jus a couple Canadian based LO23s hangin out at Engelharts 2007 I believe

liteweight

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...psl7dm0jon.jpg

That was 2005. One cold one later Ronnie Sox wheeled up to bench race and consequently sign a couple of LO23s.


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