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You may know all this,
Richard sold this Dart to Sam Pannuty (I was their that night) who may have sold to DeSantis. Someone posed a copy of the add that was in National Dragster when Sam had it for sale . Think I have a copy of the post in my files. Also were you able to connect with Richard's son for more pictures and info..

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I have not been able to get in contact with Richards son yet, hopefully soon. I have a copy of the ad from Sam Pannuty, wish I would have bought it then! The ad is from National Dragster September 1970, $3800!

Thanks again, Jack!

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You wish you had bought it for $3800, I'm a damn fool for not buying that night for less than that, Not too bright, me I wanted a Cuda . Hind site ah bitch

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So.......Who is the background Dart?


https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net...67&oe=5A101759

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Wow.!!!!!!!! That is a VERY rare pick. Not many out there of this car with this owner. The only one I have ever seen of this car actually going down the track. Nice find. I fist figured it out by looking at the driver. He always wore his helmet this way. Charlie. what year was this pic taken?

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Who is in the Dart?
Ray Sullins in the Camaro.

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Information I found says this was in 1969. Stated Ray Sullins was driving Harrell's ZL-1 that year and went to Kelly Chadwick as funny car crew chief in 1970.

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So is official, the L0/B0 reunion is set for the Carlisle All-Chrysler Nationals July 13-15 in Carlisle, PA at the Expo Center located right outside of the main gate! It is an indoor air conditioned hall that will accommodate approximately 40 cars, and we will have clone and modern equivalent race cars outside on the paved parking lot. More information will be coming soon. Please feel free to PM me, email me at rhinodart@yahoo.com or call me at 224-688-4352 if you are interested in having your car at the display. I brought my Hemi Dart out this year to find out more information on it and to start getting the word out. Heck I might even have it running by then!

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That is great news Jim!!!!. Looking forward to it. I'm in!!!!

liteweight

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Start spreading the word! Anyone who knows anyone with a real car please feel free to tell them about it or have them contact me. Also, I have been doing more research and finding more pictures of my car, it looks like the trunk was lettered with what I believe is Rosedale Speed Shop Baltimore Maryland, did a shop by that name exist ?

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So Charlie sent me a message asking about my most recent pictures that I have posted from a storage place called photobucket.In doing some checking into this is what I found:

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It seems Photobucket has changed they're user agreement and will no longer host free 3rd party picture sharing. Which means no one can post pics that are being stored with them anymore to a public website free of charge. They are requiring a "low" monthly fee of $39.99 to do so now.

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So , my Dart is getting closer to being ready for its maiden voyage to the track. My shop just updated me with the latest dilemma- what to do for front brakes? They said that the front Kelsey-Hayes rotors are unusable due to being severely warped and irregular, and they can't find a Kelsey-Hayes replacement (and they know I would like to stick with as many original or original-style parts as possible). The part number is 59157. I could go with an aftermarket setup like Wilwood, etc. but that won't look very period-correct behind my Cragar rims. On the other hand, I might be trapping 150+ mph and will need to slow the beast down in time.

Would love to hear your advice or opinions!


Btw, this Photobucket thing really sucks. Think of all of the wasted time spent posting photos. :mad:

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Are you going to be using an old single layer, open face helmet too? Racing in a t-shirt? That would be period correct...

Don't F@#$ with safety stuff. No one is going to fault you for upgrading to modern discs...

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We trap at 161 plus MPH weighing 3200 lbs using top of the line Lamb components and a parachute if need be. If you could make it to Indy next month to look over the safety improvements made on these cars, would be a worthy trip. Mines the blue one that never wins a round...........Phish

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Obviously not. Point made. Just didn't know if there would be enough of a difference in stopping power between factory-style discs and modern options to offset my preference for a more original appearance.

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Wish I could, Phish- thanks for the invite.

In case I haven't mentioned it before, I am not interested in being competitive with e.t.s. I just want the thrill of drag racing an original LO23, albeit with a bit more horsepower than they had in '68 (since I was going to build an alternate engine for the car, anyway). My engine is being built more for moderate racing and durability, rather than to be setting records, and I am only going to run it down our local drag strip for exhibition/ test & tune style runs... but still figure it should run in the low 9s at the least...

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Just got pictures from Don Shipley, Richard Shipley's son who was the first owner of my car and I plan on painting it back to the original paint scheme. These will help a BUNCH!

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Another pic. I displayed it at Carlisle last weekend and got lots of leads, one was a guy who knew Richard and called me yesterday with his phone number, talked with Don today. I can't wait to get it painted and gold leafed!

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Congratulations on getting these!



http://classracer.com/classforum/att...8&d=1500486665

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...7&d=1500484849

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NEVER WINS A ROUND!!!!! Way to humble.

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Charlie A, I was waiting to see if anyone responded. The owner/driver of the Dart is Eddie Smith of West Virginia Hemi fame. As a matter of fact this car is lettered West Virginia Hemi on the door.

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Also owned by Max Hurley after Smith, now restored and sold at auction couple years ago.

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Love this site for just that reason. Seems like we are still finding some history on these cars.
Just never know what's coming next or where it's going to be found.
Thank you sir!

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Ant pictures of it when Eddie owned it?

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Hey Clint.

just some things to consider with your LO23 before you put it onto a race track:

NHRA mandates any car traveling faster than 10.00 must have the safety equipment to do so. There is quite a bit of stuff when you hit this point including a roll CAGE that must be up to date and certified. If you go over 150 mph you require a parachute. And lets not forget that you will require a competition license to go faster than 10.00. Best to get a rule book so you can see all the requirements before showing up at the tech line and putting your car back into the box rather than on the start line.. And remember those requirements are for your safety!!!!!!!!

Next are those Cragars. If you inspect how the aluminum spokes are attached to the steel bell you will see a very small piece of steel that is cast into each spoke and then welded to the bell. Not alot holding the center to the bell, specially when your talking big tire , big motor and bite. A very minimum procedure would be to drill and tap each spoke to accept grade 8, 1/2" bolts from the bell to each spoke. My 12" Keystone Klassics are done this way.

Front ends on these cars are sketchy at best when your talking bumpsteer, if it has not been corrected. They can have up to an 1" of bumpsteer due to the K member being dropped 1/2". Very scarey at speed, specially when your at the top end of the track with the front suspension extended, then you hit the brakes and the suspension goes to compression. My LO23 had 15/16" of bumpsteer before I corrected it. Make sure you have an alignment done and it is checked for bumpsteer from full extension to full compression. If the front end guy looks at you funny, find another front end guy that knows more than what the screen is telling him to do.

As far as the front brakes go.You will be at speeds where you don't want to rely of 50 year old parts. Do yourself a favor and put on some aftermarket stuff like Wilwood or equivalent.
As far as getting rotors for your original stuff, I believe 68 SCJ Mustangs use the same Rotors. They sure look like it. Check it out and let me know. but, as far as braking goes I would shelf your OEM stuff.

I will see if I can post some pics of my updated front end stuff later

liteweight

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Looking for some. Found this shot of the Dart in the background:


http://classracer.com/classforum/att...4&d=1448837382


https://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar...age-jpg.64401/

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Was this the Max Hurley Dart in the above pictures? Or was there another one?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...GJKMKkpH6W9X3p

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I owned the Max Hurley Demon about 9 years ago, had to sell it to buy the Poison Dart. Here is a pic when I owned it, still had the Motorwheel Fly's on it!

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Waaaaay Cool sir!
Good reason to sell it.
Can you reveal where it went or if it is still alive?


http://classracer.com/classforum/att...1&d=1500571272

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Max had more that one Dart. Not sure what one was Eddie's. He must have repainted the one he got from Eddie Burl as soon as he took delivery.

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Trying to get some pics posted that are full size rather thattachments. Not working so good yet. Gotta fiqure this lack of available photobucket thing out.

This is a photo that was posted by Dan Williams on facebook taken by Stewart Pomeroy at Fred Engelharts Hemi Reunion 2006.

liteweight

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Max Hurley kept Eddie Smiths paint just changing the name at first , the thin doors off the dart were passed on with the demon years ago ,ended back up with the dart .

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Thanks a bunch- that's some helpful stuff! I copied and pasted it and sent it to my builder.

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Yep, I have a pic of it still in the bronze/gold running as a Pro Stocker. Still had the "little man" on the front fender

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Just read that Max Hurley passed away , talked to him several times over the years ,, RIP .

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We are losing all these great people who carved their names into the history books in that generation. These guys were the best of door slammers of days gone by.
RIP Max Hurley

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https://image.ibb.co/jUL3jk/File3189_XL.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/iZTOjk/run_a_gate.jpg

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https://ibb.co/iwPePkSimple. Select an image hosting source. There are many. You can either upload anonymously or create an account so you can upload your photos once and not to have to do it again in case you want to re-post a photo. Your choice.

I use this site:

https://imgbb.com/

It's a basic, no frills, image hosting site which I like. Just click on the START UPLOADING button and select the photo(s) you want to upload.

Once you've done that, the page will change and you'll see a thumbnail of the photo(s) you've chosen. If all is correct, then click on the green Upload button.

Page will change again. Then just click on the thumbnail(s) that come up after files were uploaded to see full-size photo on new web page.

Right click on the photo, then select Copy Image Location from menu and paste that URL after clicking on the Insert Image icon https://image.ibb.co/eFU2c5/Icon.jpg.

It's a lot simpler and faster than it was for me to type this up.

Have fun.

Pete
https://ibb.co/iwPePk

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Thanks for that Pete. I know xactly what you mean. Typing is pure,plain and simple a PITA. I know that took you some good quality Mopar time. Appreciate it.

liteweight

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Anytime, my friend.

Pete