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Greg Hill 04-19-2010 09:15 AM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Roberts (Post 182884)
Alan (aka spinmaster), you obviously don't read or comprehend very well. My point about the LT-1 has NOTHING to do with certification or performance! I know it is a legit engine, if used in a 1993-97 F-body (or Caprice w/steel heads). I don't care if the LT-1 IS a certified engine, it wasn't used in 1998 F-bodies, period. That is a fact that cannot be spun or argued.

Why was this engine allowed? I will tell you: It has everything to do with the fact that when GM needed to, they submitted bogus facts to NHRA to get a combination in the guide. That is my point, it is PURE fact. If Ford or Dodge does the same thing to get a combination in the guide, how is that any different?

I understand that in the end the performance doesn't change on an LT-1 car if you change the bodywork, but still, GM was the first to get a crate-motor car approved.

It's the same friggin' thing either way, you want to say it is not because of the level of performance, but that's not how it works.
it's not even close to the same thing. None of the motors for the challenger or Mustang were ever produced in a street car. This is a red herring. The LT1 is not a crate motor.

junior barns 04-19-2010 09:39 AM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
Greg

what kind of #'s did your son run with with his new car?

Harry 6674 04-19-2010 10:05 AM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
Theres an easy fix(except for the west coasters). If your unhappy about the new cars you can always go race IHRA. They have injected classes and you know they need the cars. That would have to be easier then hoping NHRA will change things for you. Or you can do what Kens going to do. Not as easy but way more rewarding in the long run.

Jim Wahl 04-19-2010 02:04 PM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evan Smith (Post 182729)
Bruce, I'm not arguing the HP ratings, as no one would want to race against an underrated car. But where does that leave the other underrated combos that are seemingly obscure?

There are some very unhappy racers, but also quality cars/drivers who are giving it there all. One example is Shaul, who isn't afraid to drag that bad Wedge across the country and race no matter who shows up. He and many others, like Kenny, are going out to race. I'm sure you've talked to a lot of racers, but so have I, and I can find plenty of positive opinions as well the negative ones.

If Teuton put a stick in the Challenger and beat me by two tenths I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be screaming on the Internet. Guys have had me by that amount or more in the past and I found a way to improve my car.

You believe that Stock will be 50 percent full of these cars and that is just not going to be the reality. You may feel that even one is too many, but I doubt that those who love racing and have a big investment in racing will quit because a few cars are faster no matter what the cause.

As for the AHFS, it will never be 100-percent effective until every run counts and the altitude tracks have a real adjustment with runs there counting, too.
Evan, I just have to ask, if Jeff put a stick in his Challenger and beat you by .75 would you feel the same? Do you think you could find a way to "improve" your car that much, without dropping a 427 in that is? Jim


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Jeff Teuton 04-19-2010 03:18 PM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
Let me fix that . If I put a stick in the car, I can assure you I would run around 14 flat. However there is always Kevin.......... . I think Steve Kent has a couple Jerico's for sale, I got a Browell Can (never used from Top Stock) and a couple trick clutches (new also). Hmmmmmmmm. I don't think there is enough memory on Class Racer to handle that one.

Andrew Hill 04-19-2010 03:26 PM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by junior barns (Post 182907)
Greg

what kind of #'s did your son run with with his new car?
I went a best of 10.70 in D/SA Saturday night testing, 10.74 on Sunday.

Jim Wahl 04-19-2010 03:33 PM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
Go for it Jeff! Then I won't have to worry about you anymore!!! Please? Jim

Jeff Teuton 04-19-2010 03:37 PM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
And while we are doing this, lets get the facts right. I hired Joe Friday, famous Dragnet detective to get 'just the facts': I ran a best at No Problem at the Cajuns of 11.01 in H/SA. I ran a best of 10.47 in SS/KA in Houston, qualified in the bottom of the field. I beat Vern Bucannon (probably mispelled, sorry Vern) from Arkansas by .004 in class at No Problem. The rest is testing, time trails, and other assorted BS that seems to overrun this forum at times from speculation, enuendo, and who knows what else. Just the facts. Anybody got any other facts, or speculations? And if you don't remember Joe Friday and Dragnet, you probably are too young to throw rocks at me anyway. Personally I'm glad for the factory involvement. GM won't be long before they are in the mess. Or maybe we should get NHRA to do like NASCAR and we all have one car, and one motor, and change stickers from race to race. Do you like Heads Up racing? Every Round? Every Race? Stock and Super Stock would shrink 75% overnight. Bruce, that what you want? No, then what do you want? And if 50 words or less. Greg, you get 50 words also. And anybody else gets 50 words. But not the same 50 words. I ran over 50, sorry. Greg, by the way, loaded the boat with Redfish this weekend, and had a couple beverages along the way.

Evan Smith 04-19-2010 03:58 PM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
Jim, .75 off my best run in H/S is a 10.13, as I have run 10.88 in legal H/S trim. I don't believe Jeff's Challenger is capable of that. Of course, I could be wrong. He has run fast, but do you know for sure that the car was at legal weight? I know plenty of guys who yank weight on test-and-tune runs.

But, to answer your question, I would be unhappy.

Evan

Jim Wahl 04-19-2010 04:27 PM
Re: Once again a bogus combination
 
Evan, thanks for your honest answer. 10.13? Yup, I believe that car is capable of that. OK, with that said, I have to admit I embellished a little. My best at H/SA weight has been 11.12 @ 118 in a mineshaft. Jeff ran 10.50 @ 127 in testing at the Cajuns. Thats only -.62 and 9mph better than my best. Jeff says he "only" ran 11.01 in H/SA class, but he forgot to say was he only ran 101 mph. I am willing to bet the farm when he was testing the day before the class race he was at legal weight, and he never denied that. At Houston,the car ran -.78 under (10.47) in SS/KA. In December that would have been -1.07 in SS/KA with a "Stocker" motor! 275 HP my ***! The point being NHRA needs to be realistic, or is there an ulterior motive here?

As I said before, I do not begrudge anyone for taking advantage of these highly underrated combos. If I had the money I might be tempted myself. What does tick me off is NHRA not even making an attempt to rate these cars fairly. Jim


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