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Re: National event chaos?

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 522314)

So why shouldn't a paying member who does not have a Competition number be able to vote?

I don't dis-agree with you Dwight. I'm just throwing stuff out there. BUT, I think that if you'll look back to when we lost our vote you'll find that the votes that weren't cast (which counted toward surrendering our vote) were largely non-competing members.

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Originally Posted by sc583 (Post 522315)

Tell people they are raising the entry fee...no big deal.
Tell people they are raising membership fee...no big deal.
Tell people their classes are becoming obsolete b/c of corporate intervention...we can live with that.
Tell people that National event quotas are being reduced to nothing...that hurts but now we will just go to more divisionals.
Tell people they can't get to the track a week early to sit in a muddy grass lot just so they can be the first in the gate to sit in another muddy grass lot for two more days before the race actually starts...let's boycott the bastards!!

It's ALL a big deal!

Re: National event chaos?

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Originally Posted by Julie Jordan (Post 522276)

I'm still around, but I'm a CPA, not an attorney. I'm not an expert on what it would take to get the members voting rights back.

I'm not convinced that would be a good thing, I think the membership base is quite vast and varied, it's not just sportsman racers. First of all, would it be legal that only active racer members vote? I suspect not because once you limit membership to a certain body of people you risk losing the 501(c)(6) status as it's not for the good of the general membership. If all members voted then anyone who had a membership card would be eligible, whether they be sportsman, pros, fans, industry reps, etc. With that many people eligible to vote how would there ever be a consensus? Look how divisive our presidential election was, you think racers and fans could agree on an issue? Just like now, someone will not be happy.

NHRA is far from broke. If you look at prior returns, they had a lot of debt when Compton took over from Wally Parks. Under Compton's regime, the finances of NHRA improved dramatically. They are sitting on a lot of cash, own real estate. From on outsider's perspective it appears that the TV packages have been more costly and problematic than anticipated. But, I don't think we are looking at the demise of NHRA. They have held on, through a tough economic cycle, many sporting and racing organizations haven't.

I think a fight to change the membership structure would be (1) costly and (2) most likely unsuccessful. NHRA has many facets of the organization besides just sportsman racing. There are the Pros, ET series, member tracks, youth programs. One year with a loss from operations doesn't prove to a judge or jury that the board isn't doing their job correctly. In my opinion, this would be a losing venture for anyone who tried to pursue this.

I get that we love our sport, but it's not all about us. An organization of this size is never going to please all of its members.

My 2 cents.

I believe these are very good points. After listening to many different view points on what we should do, it's very clear that so many of the ideas offered are only to benefit a specific group not the whole organization. Like our race cars, you can't change just one thing without affecting the rest of the cars overall performance.
Dan Foley+

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I believe the driving force behind these changes, if they happen, is Josh Peterson. He most likely is trying to show he can costs so he can get a year end bonus.

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Originally Posted by Bernie Cunningham (Post 522283)

My 2 cents.

Julie, is that taxed? LOL

Bernie, we live in California!!

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Well the "improvements" have been announced. At this point we'll just have to see how it plays out and make the best of it. Ken had already posted this in the news section but many don't look at that section. See linky

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...173&zoneid=175

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Seems like a slam dunk to me. Great news.

I dont understand what folks are complaining about.
What the heck is there not to like about this?
Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by Kevin Panzino (Post 522978)

Seems like a slam dunk to me. Great news.

I dont understand what folks are complaining about.
What the heck is there not to like about this?
Am I missing something?

I agree - nhra will be inspecting cars at various check-points through out the race - instead of a long, time-consuming, pre-race line. If you check your belts, helmets, safety equipment, chassis certs, etc. before you go.... you shouldn't have any problems. And how could streamlining the credential process not be a good thing?

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Sounds great for late arrivers like myself! I can't get there on Wednesday and normally come in the night before an event, have to tech and go through the registration process and make the first hit. This is right up my chaotic alley.